Yesterday while walking by the Legislature, I noticed Jody Carr and his twin brother Jack chatting among themselves.
I always enjoy debating with these two guys and this time around was no different.
But I noticed that I became a little more quick temper when I began asking questions about the LNG in Saint John and Saint Andrews.
I raised my voice and for the life of me I couldn’t understand why would Tony Huntjens and Bernard Lord spoke out loud against the propose LNG plant in Maine???
Why is it ok in Saint John and not in Maine?????
Is it because the Irving’s bureaucrats ordered these Provincial politicians to speak up so they would eliminate the competition?
It just doesn’t make any sense.
I heard Abel LeBlanc on talk of the town on CFBC and he was upset with his leader Shawn Graham of the way he spoke out against the LNG plant in Saint Andrew.
Knowing Abel? I believe that he strongly believe that Shawn should have done the same in Saint John!
I don’t know the whole details but I’ll find out.
Abel reminds me of the great Lou Murphy!
Lou wasn’t afraid to speak up for Saint Johners.
He went head on with Frank McKenna on the issue of Saint Joe’s!
I hope Abel re-offers the next Provincial election.
These days, Bernard Lord is speaking out against the propose LNG in Maine!
He’s speaking to the Irving media like he truly cares!
He truly believe that he has it in him to be the next leader of Canada because he will take on the United States of America
on this issue!
If I was the Governor of Maine John Baldacci?
I would look Bernard Lord in the eye and say - Hey? You guys cancel the LNG deal in Saint John and we will do the same in our State!!!
What’s wrong with that suggestion?
The talk show talk of the town has been on the air since Monday and it’s a darn shame you can’t listen to the show from the rest of the Province.
The Irvings are going through a public relation nightmare.
Everyone is talking about the next Municipal election!
The whole Council except for Ivan Court will be eliminated off the political map!
From the way I see it?
The same will happen to Bernard Lord.
This man is so full of himself and he held a B-B-Q at Fort LaTour and didn’t invite the public.
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My God? To the poor people of Saint John - Let them eat cake!
I’m certain the poor hungry families would have enjoys a nice juicy hamburger!!!
What another public relation nightmare for the Premier. Maybe they are Irving’s advisers???
He’s digging more and more towards political history!
I am so confident on this one that if he wins? I will never talk again about Bernard Lord in this blog.
I mean what can you say when a Premier says that the drugging and killing of our children will continue till Oct 14, 2007!
Enough said!!!!
One more thing? Did the Irvings send this heavyweight to Saint Andrew on their behalf??? Good question???
37 comments:
Good one, Charlie. This is called double standards. Pulp mill, smoke, smog and add LNG to it, good for Saint John because they are poor. Also Irving want the terminal. Powerful people in St. Andrews, especially those cottage owners and Lord goes running to Governor of Maine to stop it. Sell-out nincompoop.
Shaw Graham was very disappointing too on this issue. Do John Turner, the ex-P.M., and retired President of Royal Bank own cottages in St. Andrews amongst other notables? That must be strong consideration.
Huntjens, he is a blubbering fool anyway.
Did Lord not also extend an olive branch to Paul Martin who unceremoniously threw it in the trashcan? Probably natives will do the same because Lord cannot be trusted.
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Premier extends olive branch to natives
Lord says he wants more than ‘warm fuzzy words’ to come out of fall meeting
By Kathy Kaufield
Telegraph-Journal
Premier Bernard Lord is planning a one-day summit with New Brunswick native leaders this fall as a first step toward repairing relations between the provincial government and aboriginal communities.
"Did Lord not also extend an olive branch to Paul Martin who unceremoniously threw it in the trashcan? Probably natives will do the same because Lord cannot be trusted."
Hopefully the natives don't throw it in the trash. Even if what you say is true, different sides should always talk. If there's no talk, there's nothing. Martin and Lord are a pretty good example because they're not talking. I guess Martin didn't like Lord questioning the appointment of the G-G. Read Maclean's this week for a good article on the G-G appointment. I agree with Lord that more questions needed to be asked. She has too many skeletons in the closet for this Canadian's liking. There's got to be somebody else. Hmmmm.... Governor General Charles Leblanc. LOL
G.G. issue is very recent. Bad relations started when Lord thought that the Martin government was going to be defeated and refused to sign child-care agreement siding with Harper. Also Lord lumped childcare with Point Lepreau. Martin government did not fall in March and Lord finds himself in a hole. Children will continue to suffer because of politicking by Lord. Too bad, so sad. Municipalities are also paying the price because Lord will not sign gas-tax deal around the same time when he thought Martin governement will fall. Many miscalculations.
As far as G.G. is concerned Lord likes to play Prime Minister and comment on federal issues when other Premiers refrain. He needs a Federal/provincial jurisdictions and relations course 101. Damn immature.
Sorry massive misspelling. I'll try again.
Lord is equally to blame for frosty relationship, I agree. But I still encourage you to read the G-G article in Maclean's this week. Solid research and it seems Martin didn't check her out all that well. Any Canadian including Lord should be able to ask those questions. I doubt Andy Savot's comments about Lord getting duped by the speratists. Lots of Canadisn were asking the same questions given the evidence. She may work out fine but a lot of this stuff stinks. She should renouce her citizenship from France as France wants her to immediately and she should have come out immediately and not waited days to say I love Canada, She's about to be the G-G for crying out loud. Maybe she'll be fine but it doesn't look like the PMO did their homework on this one.
Spinks, when other Canadians say about G.G. and federal affairs they are not doing so in any officail capacity. When a Premier, first minister, speaks in his official capacity then you are charting on a different territory. You are infringing on federal jurisdiction. What happened to your knowlege of protocols? You sound like a person who might have studied these common sense protocols.
Whoa, slow down 5:29pm. Calm down. I meant GG Leblanc as a joke. If Charles is offended he has my apologies but otherwise come on. If anything I'm owed the apology by you but I don't see pigs flying by so I don't imagine that's happening. You attacks against me personally are without merit. I have never said I hated anyone or that violence against anyone including Chinese students is acceptable. I don't care what colour or sex the GG is but she/he should be loyal to Canada and should be a full Canadian citizen IMHO. I don't think that's too much to ask of someone who represents your country often to the world. Wow, and to think I get accused of making stuff up.
Hey Spinks! Why you think Charles Leblanc being Governor General is a joke? Would you care to explain your joke???
The word bigot is thrown around so loosely on this blog, it's lost all meaning. It's often times used to try and shut somebody up who doesn't confrom and censor them. You say you've never called me a bigot before but who knows? You write the same as the one who has and since few put a name to their comments, who can tell? I've talked about Paul Martin too. Does that make me a bigot against people who's first name starts with Paul? Give me a break.
As for GG Leblanc, why not, except he's come out against Quebec? I could have said GG Spinks, or GG Anonymous. None of them is going to happen and that's not because we're poor or anything else.
Anyway if you guy/guys/gal/gals want to waste more time on this red herring, I'll go along for the ride but the attacks are unjustified and ridiculous, but whatever turns your fancy.
Spinks, as someone said above that your ideas are like used underwear. They stink. You have made some very bigoted statements. You are the only one who feels censored? Why is that? Give some thought to it.
Then most annoying thing about you is that you keep changing your positions. If your purpose is to muddle the discussion then may be you are succeeding.
I'm still waiting to see the examples of changing positions. As one poster who disagrees with almost everything I say put it, he/she's never seen me change positions and so far nobody has backed it up except to try repeating it. I'd love to answer the allegations so bring them forward.
Of course I'm the only one who feels censored. I'm the only one who has a different opinion to those who post on this site. One good thing for Charles is ever since I started posting he rarely gets attacked anymore which is good. He shouldn't. It's his blog and if someone doesn't like it don''t visit.
There are a few here who disagree with me but provide thoughtful discussion and that's why I keep posting. The other comments which could all be from the same person (there's no way to tell with the anonymous tag) throw the bigot word around in an attempt it would seem either intentionally or unintentionally to quash free speech and freedom of conscience.
Once again the reason I put a name to my posts is so that you don't have to read them. If I bother you, don't read or respond to my posts. Pretty simple solution.
Spinks? I believe that you have ADHD!!!! You love to be the centre of attention!!!!..lol....you better take those ritalin!!! Did I just say that???? Stress out!!! Wait till you see the next blog!!! It's a scary one!!! Let me give ya a hint? I'm walking in the building of those racist members of the New Brunswick Human Rights Commission Monday morning!!!! I bet you would love to be a fly on the wall for that one eh????...lol
First, why's it so surprising that after bending over backward (or forward) for Irving that he's now trying to protect their business interests. How many pieces of legislation over the past twenty years can you point out that have gone against Irving interests? Pretty few. The Irvings want to sell gas down the eastern seaboard so they don't want to see competition-when have you ever seen Irving welcome competition?
As for Spinks, I agree with him, if you don't like his posts, don't read them. I'll agree that some of his arguments have been bigoted, but certainly not in any radical way, and not enough to get excited about. If it weren't for his posts I wouldn't read the post sections at all. I disagree with most of his views, but it always gives me a reason to research my arguments which I enjoy as much as the arguments themselves. Remember, free speech is ONLY free when it comes from those who you disagree with. Even the often mentioned nazi's gave free speech to those who agreed with them.
Ok. I am the one who called Spinks bigot in this blog and not before because of his distorted and ignorant views on various issues. But go to previous blogs and he has been called bigot and racist again and again. There must be some truth to it. Look at this blog:
Monday, August 15, 2005
MATTHEW GLENN - BIGOT FROM THE ANGLO SOCIETY CHARGE WITH ASSAULT!!!!
and following comments about Spinks:
RACIST!!!!...BIGOT!!!!!
RACIST!!!!...BIGOT!!!!!
RACIST!!!!...BIGOT!!!!!
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RACIST!!!!...BIGOT!!!!!
RACIST!!!!...BIGOT!!!!!
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= SICKNING!
# posted by Anonymous : 3:39 AM
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Now would someone take ownership of these remarks. After so many ignorants remarks by Spinks he becomes annoying. Then he changes his positions constantly and someone said he deserves a flip-flop award.
Quite often he makes ignorant and uninformed statements that he leaves no choice but to respond to him. You cannot leave ignorance hanging out there.
Spinks, can you clean up your act somewhat. When you give sweeping generalizations give some facts to back them up. Try and not muddy up the argument. By doing that you take the fun out of these discussion.
I disagree with Charlie on lot of issues but I know where the guy stands and one can discuss with him. Some others are the same way. But with all due respect Spinks he is like a shifting sand.
The thrust of this blog was that how Lord is two-faced. He supports LNG in Saint John but it is deterimental to the environment in St. Andrews area. It will be interesting to hear views on that.
Just in from Saint John..It's official!!! The cranes at the ship yard are now gone!
They were blown up this morning at about 7:06am,The residents of the south end of the city were awoken this morning to a very loud explosion including myself,I have never seen that many people awake this early on a saturday morning as far back as I can remember..the curious were out in the streets and on rooftops with all eyes looking east to the refinery you could hear different voices carried in the air saying,I wonder if it has finally happened???((accident at refinery))
some of my neighbors drove over the causeway to see what had happened.
I'll repeat what I said on another topic. Think of this blog as the Tim Horton's and a bunch of guys sitting around having a coffee discussing the issues. That's the way I visit this site. If others want to open the proverbial briefcase and start whipping out files, go ahead. I'm just here having a coffee and talking about what's going on.
I'm still waiting on this "flip-flop" thing. It keeps getting said but no one has said what the flip-flopping is. Love to clarify it if you like. By the way someone else got off the LNG topic second comment from the top. Conversations evolve. I go along for the ride. And 9:13am, saying "with all due respect" to justify calling someone a name isn't any respect at all.
I agree with 9:16 AM 100%! I will let it go fot now!!! I don't want to be a jerk but from now on? The debate should be on the issue in hand. If you guys wish to argue against each other? Leave it in the no human rights in China! From now on! I'll just delete the comment that not written about the blog in hand! This is getting totally out of control! I mean I love that when people debate among each other but this is getting carried away! I could post a blog and no one will be allowed to post a comment but there's no way in the world I'm going to do this! No hard feeling and I hope you people understand?
very well put, I had a rather large comment to post as well but you've made the point for me so I'll leave it alone.Thanks charlie!
Charles, the above post worries me more than ALL the others. Everything has worked fine til now, I've been to plenty of sites where people edit or delete comments, I no longer go to them. You take the good with the bad. We get off topic, but it's not a problem for a person to post on topic, so if they aren't we can assume they have nothing to say. Editing threats or language is a different issue.
We see the threads with comments 'on topic', there are either no commments at all, or there are one or two then they stop. Conversations should not be controlled, various people even chastise Spinks, I think he should just ignore them, that's what I do and it's not difficult to scroll down.
If suddenly we see that our speech is less free than Charles then what's the difference than if the government came and shut down the site saying 'it's not on topic'. While I agree it's charles blog and he can do what he wants, that's unfortunate, because I certainly won't be posting here again or even reading the posts.
Like Charles sending Letters to Editor, they say 'no, off topic, you can send to the River Valley news!' Now we have to make sure we either say what Irving likes or what Charles likes! This is why media should be PUBLICLY owned. Eventually everyone turns into a 'jerk' (meaning censorist).
Anyone have anything else to say on double standard? Anyone?? OK, all further submissions are off topic and must go to other way back thread. March in step please.
I wish to add my voice to the rest that we must stay with the topic. Unless something unusual happens and someone needs to post as Tim did with regard to cranes coming down in Saint John. Some consistend and to the point discussion will be fun.
One comment about Spinks. This is not about him, it is about issues. Please Spinks overcome your problems of being centre of attention as Charles pointed out and very rightly so.
Spinks is the only one here with a name, that's why he seems 'centre of attention'. Then people insult him and/or challenge him. Should he not be allowed to respond? Don't like it, DONT READ IT.
So Tim is allowed exceptions, no one else? THis blog IS run by Irving! CHarles still works for Irving!!!!
I'm not trying to be the centre of attention. By that logic anonymous is the centre of attention since he/she posts here more than anybody. Get my drift?
"march in step" 9:59am???? What is this a dictatorship? I've never called for anybody to be censored even if they're anonymous and I don't think you should either.
Spinks is as anonymous as the rest. That is not his real name.
It is his inconsistent, incoherent, self-contradictoy, self-congratulatory babbling which draws the attention and not that he uses Spinks as a name. Few others use the name and some real such as McKay.
Then he wants examples of his inconsistencies. Who has time or patience to review his stuff to give him examples. He should read himself and he will get plenty of examples.
Who says Spinks is not my real name? Pretty cheap way out 12:35pm. I know what I've written so I see no inconsitencies. My thought is if you're going to drive the smear train to try and shut me up at least have the decency to back it up or just come out and say "I hate Spinks". At least there would be no more beating around the bush.
If you really want me gone, talk to Charles and have him remove my comments. I'll stop posting if that happens every time.
Is Spinks your real name???
ok..ok..ok...I don't read much of the comments anyway! I just blog away and leave you guys do whatever you want! I will not delte any comments except for bad language but I would like to asked you gys/gals to stay on topic! It's all up to you!!! Have fun! Now! I'm going bloggling!!!
Hey! I am still waiting for comments on LNG. It has been all Spinks so far and Spinks detractors or haters. Does this guy do this on purpose?
What else needs to be said? The provincial government is doing what it always has, which is to protect Irving's interests. An LNG terminal at the border would compete with Irvings-that wasn't in their plans.
Lord really should learn to politic better, he's playing like he was Premier of Quebec or Alberta, New Brunswick has NO clout with the federal government. The province almost never even seems to have the same party in power provincially as there is in Ottawa-do we just like punishment?
Lord wants to get the feds to look at the issue, no doubt he's pissed that the feds passed at lepreau and the same companies he wanted for lepreau are now investing in LNG for the US. Screwed every which way. Of course the feds have other problems to worry about than this.
I saw Lord's appeal to the feds on CTV, but haven't seen it at any Irving media-has anybody else? At some federal canadian sites, people who know nothing about NB are treating this like a 'sovereignty' issue.
Charles put lot of work in this blog, all the those fancy pictures he did but unfortunately as usual it was Spinked. Glad to see this last comment.
Lord is fully responsible for the poor relations with the feds. He thought he was the Prime Minister as he was visiting White House, trying to negotiate free trade, improve foreign relations by visiting President of France; all these are under federal jurisdiction. This must have pissed off some senior mandarins in Ottawa. Remember mandarins have a lot to do with decisions.
Then of course he played politics with Point Lepreau. He was too cocky thinking that Martin minority government was going to fall and would not sign childcare and gas tax agreements playing politics to side with Harper. That came back to haunt him and bite him in the butt.
On LNG he is coming across as totally double faced. But on this issue Liberals are not much different which goes to tell you as to who controls the governments, agenda, big business like Irvings. Lord has been the most shameless in this respect. His incompetence is coming through loud and clear.
The following was in August 29, 2005 editorial of Telegraph. Is that not double-faced? LNG is great for Saint John but bad for the health of St. Andrews' folks. What about the health of people in Saint John?
Telegraph Journal editorial:
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"Irving Oil might benefit if the Maine LNG projects fall through, but Premier Lord is not acting as the company's advocate. He's opposed to the Passamaquoddy Bay projects because they would be located on waters this province shares with Maine, and that worries New Brunswick residents"
"LNG tankers would disrupt Canadian businesses based on tourism, fisheries and aquaculture."
"The residents of St. Andrews and other communities fear the LNG projects on Passamaquoddy Bay would threaten their health, property, and way of life."
Sounds like a case of-What’s good for he goose is good for the gander-
Irving of course not wanting the competition-
The government doing what they do best, bulls--t Joe public and at the same time privately kiss corporate ass and then the infamous, Oh but we're not involved-
And finally the people have the right to say, hey if its ok to do it here then it should be all right to do it anywhere.
I myself am a believer of the third, if its ok to put LNG in Saint John and its all good, no fears of any kind according to Irving Corporation, City Council and both parties of this Province who also say that any other reasons for NOT possibly wanting LNG in Saint John is strictly (Fear Mongering!!)
If its as safe as they say it is then there should be no problems with wanting more than one plant in N.B. and or more than one LNG Plant anywhere along Maine coast,
As of course we have been assured by all levels of Government as well as the Irving Company our worries are unwarranted then I see no other reason then “competition” being the key ingredient of all further grievances toward other ventures in this industry
With that being the case then the Irving Company just has to lick It,s wounds and enjoy the tax break they managed to swindle right out from under our noses and get used to the idea that there are other companies out there that are in business for prophet as well.
They are not and never will be the governing body of this Province and should except this as such and get back to running their many other scandalous enterprises and maybe reconsider putting a little of all that N.B. prophet into some worth while charities to show their appreciation for the many things that have been done for then in return.
Thus the term…{{Return Investment!}}
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