Saturday, March 04, 2006


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I sure do!!! I quickly change the channel!!! Do you?

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The mother plans to meet the Rentalman Monday? Will he have the same attitude as the Landlord and New Brunswick Family Services? Stay tune!!!



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Here’s a new story that you’ll never read or hear in the media.

During my six months protest in my tent in front of the Legislature? I’ve met thousands of citizens from all walks of life.

I came across Andre who lives at the Shelter.

He told me an interesting story and I told him that I would used it in my column in the River Valley News.

Almost three years later, he still say the same story.

I invited the guy over my place and told him to hit the keyboard with his story.

You might find it a little confusing but if Gold or Diamond are discovered in his area?

He’s on record in predicting this claim.

Here’s his story in his own words. Enjoy -

Before I begin my little story? I just wish to let the readers know that I have been alcohol and drug free since 1991!!!

Diamond or Gold Mine discovery by spraying tap water outside < hydrogen >
It could be called Well of light in scientific term the elderly could called it Eldorado
My parents asked me to wash the vehicule outside on Sunday morning in October 1996.

After the sun or moon eclipse has occurred.

On that particular day was a changing of hour and the day after my oldest daughter birthday on October 12 1996.

The date of the discovery was October 13 1996.

I say that it was her birthday present since I could not buy her a gift.

People have tried to find the color from my children and tried to ignored me but truly I was the one spraying water and showing my two daughters this natural phenomena that only appear every hundred years and once in a lifetime.

This should not appear before the next three generations.

Nobody is willing to pay anything for documentation or plan but want the property so the plan will be on internet for approbation that I will produce in a short amount of time which is what I have seen with my two eyes.

When I was finish?

I wash the parking lot and my two daughter were present.

I sprayed the youngest one for fun and hit her in the eyes so I moved the water jet up and noticed three colors rainbow on top of her.

The white color was liked burning magnesium in laboratory.

The colors were white, yellow light and blue light like the salt you used in Fredericton but the color is blue light on snow. Or if you preferred like Saint Andrew cross.

Next I bought my two daughters beside me close to the corner of the house and went onward following the path of the rainbow and then color green start to enrolled down like a carpet about four inches wide and then about five feet or eyes level.

Also red appeared and did the same picture.

Afterwards the royal navy blue appeared and followed by a bright yellow gold.

I told my children - Lets go back at the beginning and follow the three color rainbow.

As I spray water on top of the colors, I saw an spinning white wave all along on top of the colors and there was also a cloud like the five cent American.

We proceeded to follow the rainbow going up from the ground and it was making a spin on top of it.

It then changing direction 90 degree making a complete rainbow touching the ground and then making a pointing arrow.

The time was 12:20pm.

There was no cloud that day and we could see the moon.

There was an asteroid in the sky following the next few days.

The next day, I blessed the location with a sword dated 1940 and it was written Legetimus number 1250.

In those days, I was a C.I. officer of R.C.A.C.C. < Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps > after talking to captain savage I lost my post.

There were two witnesses present – My daughter < Maggie > and my other daughter < Kim >

The reason I blessed the site was because in my view. I believe in god and I am sure that god did see that I did discovered the site. < a platinum Gold or Diamond mine >

The area was at 101 and 103 Canada street in Saint Quentin.

The well of light is half on 101 and the other half on 103.

When I was young at elementary school the teacher explain to us whoever makes the discovery will receive some help and there was money to help the family who make the discovery.

Thia would help make the expertise and exploitation of the mines.

I went to university in 1974 – 1975 in pure science and study pure science.

One day we study the property of the hydrogen of water and the demul tiplucation of number 2.

They say that at the approach of millennium was propice to discovery and also that the year has to finish by sixteen and that the particular of this is that it only happen every hundred years .

People say that I was crazy and try to put me behind close door.

I have met a doctor specialize in nuclear physics or chemistry which retuned me home.

Some people say I was crazy.

I have received many treath against me and my children.

This particular this discovery is beyond imagination. Only person that study high advanced science will probably understand.

My teacher at university were Father Leblanc, dr. Francis Weil and Mr.Vanbruge.

All the people I have asked for help did not help.

I have talk with Ron Shaw from Hugh John Fleming and say if I was right will call me back so he did call back and ask me about the property and to make plan so I send the information to him but never receive help.

After receiving many treaths.

I went to the recruiting center officer Mr Ouelette and say he will help if he can.

This discovery could be related to uranium radioactive material or plutonium it make so long I did not study.

The night of the discovery there was a helicopter at night on top of the house.

Another day there was a black plane mat in color riding on Canada street at low altitude.

There has been a big explosion in the summer giving a bright light through the house.

Some people in Saint-Quentin that teaches science say that it was a miracle.

He asked me on the phone if the first color was green?

I have lost my sleep and have very special power in my eyes.

I looked at a dog and he turns his head not to look at me or sometime want to follow me and leave his master.

I am the person that send a message to France university e=mc2 but the person helping me on the computer sign his name to protect me but criss cross me.

A lot of people indicate the wrong direction of the mine since the arrow is pointing west and they indicate always East.

Yours truly and always devoted Joseph Andre Quimper authorize to be program by Charlie leblanc


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The Lord Government will announce that they agree with the rise in power rate for the poor.

Property tax are going way up!

The Government are giving huge amount of money to the rich industries.

Poor people will not be able to afford to pay the rent which is going to go way up and it will come down to this!

Here's the story -

document.write(CETransPubCode("TP Saint John")); NB Telegraph-Journal | Saint John
As published on page C1/C2 on March 4, 2006

Threats lead to armed standoff
Residents evacuated, neighbourhood cordoned off

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Emergency Tactical Services team members of the Saint John Police Force respond to a Boyd Street apartment where a man was holed up inside. He was to be evicted, but threatened to use a firearm if officials tried to evict him.
By Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon

A Saint John man, who was scheduled to be evicted from his North End apartment on Friday, kept police at bay for more than five hours, threatening them with a firearm.

About 15 officers responded to the scene, including several members of the Emergency Tactical Service (ETS).

They evacuated the six-unit apartment building on Boyd Street and cordoned off the area at McKenna Crescent and Davenport Avenue.

Residents of the surrounding apartments and townhouses, commonly known as Rockwood Court, were advised to stay in their homes or at least use their back doors.

But some were standing on their front doorsteps and peeking out windows, trying to figure out what was going on in the neighbourhood they describe as friendly and quiet.

Many were worried about the safety of their children, who were due to arrive by school bus between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m.

The man, who is in his 30s, was taken into custody without incident at about 3:30 p.m., said Staff Sgt. Glen McCloskey.

He was transported to the Saint John Regional Hospital for a psychiatric assessment.

A firearm was seized from the apartment, but Staff Sgt. McCloskey declined to say what type.

No one else was in the apartment where lace curtains and angel ornaments were hanging in the window.

The man could face firearm and threat-related charges, he said.

The incident started about 10 a.m. when a "distraught" man called 911. "There was reference to having some problems," said Staff Sgt. McCloskey. "And there was mention of a firearm."

The man was threatening police and the deputy sheriffs who were trying to evict him.

ETS, a specialized team that provides tactical response to high-risk incidents, was called in. They were served pizza and bottled water, suggesting they expected the situation to drag out.

A negotiator set up in an apartment across the street, maintaining contact with the man by telephone.

An ambulance and a emergency medical services vehicle were also on the scene.

The deputy sheriffs were advised to stay away.

Sheriff Frank Crilley declined to say why the man was being evicted.

Property owner and manager, Killam Properties, declined comment.

Officials at the rentalsman's office could not be reached.

Victor Vasquez, who lives in the apartment building where the man was holed up, was taking a shower about 10 a.m. when police knocked on his door, telling him to get out.

"They just said it's not safe," he said. "They never said why."

Mr. Vasquez went to a nearby neighbour's house to wait. His wife, Mary, was at work and his children, Chris, 12, and Victor Jr., 11, were attending Princess Elizabeth School.

He said the man only moved into the building about five months ago and lives with a woman and a couple of children.

He described the man as "loud," saying he plans to move next month after two-and-a-half years, largely because of him.

Stephanie Land, who lives in another apartment building on Boyd Street with her husband and two children, was shocked when she came outside and a police officer met her on her front steps.

"He said, 'Come on, come on' " and escorted her outside of the barricaded area. "I didn't even see the cop cars. I didn't know anything was going on," said Mrs. Land, whose mother was picking her up.

The officer told her to stay off the street and to use her back door. She left for a while and came back, hoping it would all be resolved.

"It makes me nervous," she said, while waiting to meet her eight-year-old son Keiffer at the bus stop on Davenport Avenue. She normally lets him walk home with his friends.

Police officers had planned to escort all of the school bus children to their homes, she said, but Keiffer has epilepsy and she was worried being greeted by a uniformed officer might trigger an episode.

Michelle Melanson, who lives on McKenna Crescent, didn't know what was going on either. "I thought there might be a bomb or something.

"It's freaking me out a bit," she said, sitting in her car, listening to the radio crackle with news of the standoff, hoping to find out more information.

"I have a seven-month-old baby inside sleeping."

"It's kind of unnerving," agreed neighbour Melissa Jamieson, who has two children, aged six and eight. "They just said, 'it's a situation.' "

Once the man was taken into custody, deputy sheriffs proceeded with the eviction, overseeing the locks being changed, said Mr. Crilley.

"It's scary sometimes," he said, noting that sheriffs do not carry firearms. "You never know when you go to somebody's door what you're going to receive.

"With the attitude of some people today and the amount of drugs and alcohol involved, it can be a very dangerous situation."


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( MARK 10:14 *NIV )

Dear Charles,
Now in keeping with our Saturday tradition I will share a
laugh or two with you this morning. The following message
was sent to me by one of our subscriber's, and I hope that
you will enjoy the message as much as I do.

"Why God Made Moms "
( The following answers were given by elementary school children
to the following questions )

Question----"Why Did God Make Mothers?""

The answers:
1. She's the only one who knows where the scotch tape is.

2. Mostly to clean the house.

3. To help us out of there when we were getting born.

Q-----"How Did God Make Mothers?"

1. He used dirt, just like for the rest of us.

2. Magic plus super powers and a lot of stirring.

3. God made my mom just the same like he made me. He just
used bigger parts.

Q----"What Ingredients Are Mother's Made Of ?"

1. God makes mothers out of clouds and angel hair and
everything nice in the world and one dab of mean.

2. They had to get their start from men's bones. Then they
mostly use string I think.

Q----"Why Did God Give You Your Mother And not Some Other

1. We're related.

2. God knew she likes me a lot more than other people's
moms like me.

Q----"What Kind Of Little Girl Was Your Mom?"

1. My mom has always been my mom and none of that other

2. I don't know because I wasn't there, but my guess would be
pretty bossy.

3. They say she used to be nice.

Q----"What Did Mom Need To Know About Dad Before She
Married Him?"

1. His last name.
2. She had to know his background. Like is he a crook? Does
he get drunk on beer? Does he make at least $800 a year? Did
he say NO to drugs and YES to chores?

Q----"Why Did Your Mom Marry Your Dad ?"

1. My dad makes the best spaghetti in the world. And my mom
eats a lot.

2. She got too old to do anything else with him.

3. My grandma says that mom didn't have her thinking cap on.

Q----"Who's The Boss At Your House?"

1. Mom doesn't want to be boss, but she has to because dad's
such a goofball

2. Mom. You can tell by room inspection. She sees the stuff
under the bed.

3. I guess Mom is, but only because she has a lot more to do
than dad.

Q----"What's The Difference Between Moms And Dads?"

1. Moms work at work & work at home, & dads just go to work
at work.

2. Moms know how to talk to teachers without scaring them.

3. Dads are taller & stronger, but moms have all the real power
'cause that's who you got to ask if you want to sleep over at
your friend's.

Q----"What Does Your Mom Do In Her Spare Time?"

1. Mothers don't do spare time.

2. To hear her tell it, she pays bills all day long.

Q----"What Would It Take To Make Your Mom Perfect?"

1. On the inside she's already perfect. Outside, I think some
kind of plastic surgery.

2. Diet. You know, her hair. I'd diet, maybe blue.

Q----"If You Could Change One Thing About Your Mom What
Would It Be?"

1. She has this weird thing about me keeping my room clean.
I'd get rid of that.

2. I'd make my mom smarter. Then she would know it was my
sister who did it and not me.

With My Love & Prayers,
your servant Allen
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Ok Charlie, You wanted the story... here it is.

On or about December 1st, a new neighbor moved in the apartment underneath my children and I.

Since that time I have received many phone calls from workers of Fredericton Rentals following up on complaints of this one woman.

I have lived in this building for over 3 years and it wasn't until last year about Christmas time that we were having the same trouble with previous neighbors.

Just to give a brief on my last neighbors, there was a couple living underneath.

One went to work through the day and slept through the night while the other stayed up all night and slept all day.

I have two children, one of them with Asperger's Syndrome (mild autism) who was only diagnosed approx. 8 months ago.

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My children at that time were causing some noise, but they are only 6 and 4 years of age.

I certainly didn't find that the noise was excessive at that time.

Especially since my son is in school and gone for most of the day, (till 2:00 PM) and my children go to bed by 7:00 PM every day.

My children are also not allowed to play with trucks or anything with wheels to run across the floor, they are not allowed to jump or run.

However they do tend to test that rule every now and then, they are children after all, they receive time outs for that behaviour and it stops shortly after.

After we got notices (3 all at the same time) we got the rentalsmen involved.

I also went to the media to cover the story, and had my other neighbors who lived around me to write letters in our favour stating that our noise level was not excessive.

We won our case and were permitted to stay.

This time around, the complaints are not so much about the noise level of my children, more so the noise complaints about me and my daily living.

The first complaint came at 11:50 PM, I was watching the news with my ex-husband, and it was at a low level.

One of the workers from the building came to my door at this time and knocked.

I had my 4 year old daughter sleeping in my lap, and my ex husband opened the door to find the worker at the door following up on the complaint and he asked if that was the level of noise that we were making, he noticed my daughter who was sleeping on my knee and said that the complaint was unfounded, and left.

I again received a notice stating that I was vacuuming at 10:30, which I thought was strange as I don't even own a vacuume with a motor, I have a carpet sweeper that has no motor.

It also stated that I scream and yell till 11:00PM.

Which seems extremely odd, cause my children are in bed by 7:00 pm and I live alone, I don't understand who I'm screaming at when the only one here is myself.

I also had a complaint about my children playing with another friend oneday.

This is probably the only day that I could agree there was noise.

The kids were a little excited and loud, and after speaking to the landlord who was following up on the complaint, I asked my friend to take her child and leave.

I then received a notice stating that my kids were "not to have their friends over again" so, we have not had other children in since that incident.

My mom was here sweeping the sand up off the floor by my front entrance when we heard loud banging on the floor from the neighbor underneath complaining that the sweeping was too loud.

This was at 4:00 in the afternoon.

I have also had a lot of banging up on my floor and phone calls over watching tv, or running bath water.

One time my mom was here and completely shocked as the level of the tv was so low that we could hardly hear the program we were watching.

However my mother's personal favourite story was the evening that she and I were watching a show on CNN and we received a call about yet another complaint that there was screaming coming from my apartment... again, the complaint was unfounded.

My children were at their dad's on a weekend visit, it was only my mother and I at my residence.

I have also had other guests who can verify that there was no noise at the time of either banging on my floor or phone calls from workers in the building following up on complaints of noise.

I have asked all the workers from my building what I'm to do?

They have all commented that this girl is over sensitive and "weird" and they have told me that she even complains about the furnace room and noise coming from that which nothing can be done about.

They all suggested taking the bass and treble out of my television all together.

I only own a 27 inch. It's not a floor model, or a big screen, but I followed their advice just the same.

Then on February 27th, my landlord knocked loudly on my door.

I went and opened the door with my 4 year old daughter at my side, my son was at school.

He was there with one of the workers from the building.

He handed me an envelope telling me that I had to move that he was getting threatened and told that If I didn't move, she would and he couldn't risk that.

All the while my daughter is listening to him tell us we have no home, and all the while the worker with him was looking behind his shoulder mouthing the words.. "I'm so sorry".

I was later approached by a different worker from the building who stated that I should fight it cause the complaints of disturbance were all unfounded.

They had all said that they suggested at the meetings that the floors are very thin and that installation should be shot up between the floors and that it would help with the sound.

I also can hear my neighbors noise... I can give you a play by play on the selection of songs that she plays on a daily basis, and I can also tell you what tv programs that she enjoys and some of the things that she talks about with her guests and in phone conversations she has had.

Some mornings when she coughs, it sounds as if she's right in my own bedroom.

I believe the solution was to fill in between the floors with installation to see if it helped.

My children and I have also moved into my bedroom for the most part and have lived like prisoners locked up in a small space to watch tv and eat our meals there so not to disturb the lady underneath.

A lot of the workers from around the building all agree that the floors are thin and this should be tried first.

They also all agree that the next tenant will have the same trouble as this is an NB housing unit and a family building.

I was given the notice on February 27th, and it says that I must be out by no later then March 28th.

As a result of this eviction, not only do my children not have a home, my son will have to change schools which seriously concerns all of the schools people who have been working very hard with my son to help him have a successful school year.

They are concerned that an uproot and change of school in the middle of the year would cause great damage to my son as routine and structure is important in his success with his Asperger's Syndrome.

It also puts me at risk for ever being able to get a transfer with housing as once this occurs, you are seen as a risk and do not get another unit.

I have also received a call from my worker stating that my assistance is being surpressed until I find another place to live which is difficult as with rents being as high as they are, I am not able to find a decent place to live.

I have looked into one bedrooms, however have been told that with two children of the opposite sex I need by law a 3 bedroom apartment.

I am not someone who is just trying to take advantage of the system.

I am involved in work placements which is helping me work toward a lower tuition in the fall where I am enrolled in a course to get out of the system.

It seems that the harder I try... the worst things seem to get for my children and I.

I don't know what will happen to us now.

With only 3 weeks to go, and nowhere to live, I am extremely panicked and worried about my current situation and I am at a loss of what to do.

Any suggestions are helpful. Thank you.


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KING: We're back. Remaining with us are Paul McCartney and Lady Heather Mills McCartney on this issue of the sea hunt. And we're joined now in St. Johns by Danny Williams, "Newfoundland and Labrador" premier.

And you have heard, Danny, the statements in the past half hour. What's your overall response concerning your government's position to the seal hunt?

DANNY WILLIAMS, PREMIER OF NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR, CANADA, DEFENDS ANNUAL SEAL HUNT: Well, first of all, Larry, let me welcome you to Canada. And I want to thank the McCartneys and yourself for this opportunity to basically state our case.

Just so your own viewers can get some orientation, Newfoundland and Labrador is the most easterly part in North America. And I know from your award-winning shows on September 11th, we had 70 American planes came down here, and 13,000 of the passengers, American passengers found homes in Newfoundland and Labrador for about a week.

So we welcomed them into our homes and welcomed them into our hearts. And some of those homes were homes that were occupied and opened by sealers and their families. So I just want to give you some relativity. And I am sure you already know, but I would like your viewers to know that as well.

I thank you for the opportunity. I may start off by, I think, my concern here is that the McCartneys are not completely informed. I recognize that they're active. I recognize their zeal. I love animals myself. I have two of my three daughters all three daughters actually , but two are animal lovers in the biggest kind of a way.

So for the record, I want to state that certainly myself and my people in Newfoundland and Labrador don't condone inhumane activity towards animals nor do we condone hunting or fishing that would lead to the extinction or endangerment of any species. I want to make that very clear for the record.

Having said that, I want to start off with just a quote from the World Wildlife Federation. I actually had an e-mail from them this morning because they knew that I was going on with you this evening and had this opportunity.

They e-mailed to let us know of their support that they felt that this was not a conservation issue. And I also want to read a quote from a group of veterinarians that were hired by the World Wildlife Fund. They said that the sea harvest is conducted in a humane way.

And the veterinarians concluded that the Canadian harp seal hunt is professional, and highly regulated by comparison with seal hunts in Greenland and the North Atlantic. It has the potential to serve as a model to improve humane practice and reduce seal suffering with the other hunts.

So I think it's important that we state the other side of the case. And I'm very concerned that the McCartneys are not getting all the information.

H. MCCARTNEY: Greenland, they're actually boycotting your products because they're disgusted at how inhumane your seal hunt is.

WILLIAMS: If I had an opportunity, Heather, just for a minute, and I've just got to caution you, I was concerned in your statements where you talk about inhumane and barbaric and archaic.

H. MCCARTNEY: Archaic. Sorry. Let me clear that. I don't mean barbaric. That's just a terminology I used with the land mines. I find it archaic, brutal and cruel.

WILLIAMS: Archaic may have been a fair term in the past. I do appreciate you saying that. Because that was something that concerned me. The other comment that concerned me last night was when you compared this to clubbing young babies, young human babies. And I think that that's actually taking the argument to the extreme.

H. MCCARTNEY: I didn't actually say that last night. I didn't say that last night. I said can you imagine if somebody took your baby away at one month and it was told it was an independent adult, as a lot of the pups are clubbed at one month old. I'll clear that up.

KING: Danny, let me ask you...

WILLIAMS: Actually just let me just clarify, Larry for just one second.

KING: Why must they be clubbed?

WILLIAMS: Well, let me tell you two things. First of all, the comment that was made last night was that, you know, baby bludgeoned to death. And again that's sensational. And that doesn't help the McCartneys' arguments nor does it help our argument.

First of all, the information that hasn't been given is that 90 percent of these seals are killed by bullet. They're not all clubbed. This was a practice in the past. The club that was used years ago was a Norwegian instrument that was deemed to be the most efficient way of killing seals.

When in fact now 90 percent of all seals are actually killed by bullet. It's very effective. It's very efficient and it's very quick.

There's another aspect, which I would like to point out to you, that this seal hunt since 1970 has tripled. It has gone from 2 million seals to 5.8 million seals. That's actually 12 times every person in Newfoundland and Labrador.

If we allow this seal population to completely overpopulate, the inhumane consequences of that is that these seals will starve. We now have a situation...

H. MCCARTNEY: These seals represent the seals of not just Canada, but right up to Greenland. It's completely normal for there to be millions of seals. So let's put it in the right context.

KING: I've got to get in a quick break and then we'll come right back. We'll come right back with Sir Paul McCartney -- let Paul get a word in too -- and Lady Heather McCartney and Danny Williams. Don't go away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ken McCloud (ph) is ready for the annual Harp seal hunt off Prince Edward Island. He is also prepared for the attention Paul McCartney and the American Humane Society bring to the hunt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We've come to get used to the fact that celebrities are coming up here and the animal rights groups using them to try. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would just like them to see our side of it like it is a viable industry. It has been highly regulated. It is well looked after. Just because they say to shut it down, does that give them the right to shut it down?




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Department of Fisheries and Oceans estimates 4,000 to 5,000 people in eastern Canada rely on the hunt and the $20 million it provides to the local economy. So there's a lot riding on the actions of celebrities like McCartney.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, it could mean $10,000 to $20,000 for every member of the crew, which is significant this time of year. It sure helps catch up the winter bills.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: PFO is accusing the American Humane Society of spreading false information about the hunt.


KING: We're back. And before Danny Williams speaks again, Paul, do you want to say something?

P. MCCARTNEY: Yes, I'd like to take Danny's point that -- what happened in the 50s and 60s was, there was an over culling of the seal population. And they dropped to a dangerously low level. Where then the government had to step in and actually stop it happening in order to maintain the population.

What is happening now is over the last three years, that level of killing is happening again. And so even though at this moment in time there may be enough seals, the population could drop in the same way as it did in the 50s and 60s. And this is what we feel could be dangerous.

WILLIAMS: Paul, I can assure you that, you know, I am in possession of all the facts on this. There are all about there percent, and that is all of the seals that have actually been taken. And what I had the opportunity...

H. MCCARTNEY: Your department actually assured us that the cod levels wouldn't go down the year before they have to stop the fishing because the cod levels -- you're the same department that showed the cod levels were fine.

WILLIAMS: What I was about to...

KING: All right. Let Danny finish and then Paul. Danny?

WILLIAMS: What I was about to say, Paul, is that what's actually happening on the ground in Newfoundland and Labrador is we're now finding that some of these starving seals are actually going into fresh water rivers in order to feed. That's actually happening. And another misconception which was corrected for you last night...

H. MCCARTNEY: Because you're overfishing. Because you're overfishing.

WILLIAMS: ...on the plane last night on the way to Prince Edward Island that you were on the misunderstanding that this species was in danger. But an official from DFO indicated to you that this species was actually strengthening significantly and now the herd has grown to three times the quantity in the 70s. So the species...

P. MCCARTNEY: Yes, well, now that's true, Danny. That is true at this moment, as I say. But this is the kind of thing that happened -- that people were saying before the 50s and the 60s, and then they were -- they reached dangerously low levels, which then did lead to the underpopulation. And you were in serious danger then.

And you now are killing the seals at the same levels. The last three years, you've been killing the seals at the same levels as happening in the 50s and 60s. So there is this possibility.

Now, also this gentleman you mentioned that we did meet on the plane. He came up and said can I put our side of the argument? We said, yes, of course you can. We're not just coming here just to tell the Canadians what to do. We're interested in a debate. We want to find out for ourselves.

He said -- we said, well, the first thing we're hearing, and we've heard it from a lot of people, I heard it from a local MP, is that the real reason why you need to keep the seal population down is because they are depleting the cod stock.

Now, the man from the DFO himself said that is not true. And so it isn't true. In fact the seal -- the harp seals themselves kill a lot of the cod predators. And the only single reason that the cods have been depleted so much is human overfishing.

WILLIAMS: Paul, you haven't heard me say that that's the reason. There is some evidence that could be part of the reason. But that's not why the seal hunt takes place.

KING: Well, what do you make of the argument that most of them are shot, Heather?

H. MCCARTNEY: Well, it's just not true. It's complete and absolute rubbish. It's just not true. Most of them are shot and clubbed in a hacky pick thing, which is a tall, long hook and then they hit them once with it and drag them along the ground. And they only use the one bullet. Again, because it's used for fur. It's not used for any other thing.

P. MCCARTNEY: There are two main hunts here too. Where we went out yesterday, that's for the young seals. That is where most of the clubbing takes place. And I think what Danny's talking about, there's another seal hunt that happens from boats. And that is at the front. And I think that is probably where most of the shooting occurs.

But the point is, you know, however it's done, the thing is, I defy you to show any reasonable-minded person this footage and get them to say, you know, that looks humane to me.

KING: We'll take a break and come back, and I'll ask Danny to justify as stated by Heather. Don't go away.


KING: Danny, two questions. One, what do the Canadian people think of this? And two, what about this point of eco-tourism that you could actually forget all this and increase your tourism ten-fold?

WILLIAMS: Larry, let me tell you a couple of things. First of all, Heather is incorrect. There are 90 percent of these animals that are basically killed by firearms. So I had to set the record straight because I live here and I actually know.

As well, you know, there's an unfair comparison that if you go into a beef slaughter house or a pork slaughter house or a chicken slaughter house and you put white sheets down on the floor, well then you're going to see blood. And that's not nice and that's not pleasant.

But if you take the McCartneys' arguments to the extreme that they're willing to go, there will be no beef slaughter, there will be no pork slaughter, there will be no chicken slaughter, there will be no fish in restaurants, there will be no eggs, there will be no milk for children in school.

H. MCCARTNEY: That's rubbish. We're not arguing that.

WILLIAMS: That is the extent. That is the extent of the argument.

H. MCCARTNEY: Try not to diverse it. It's rubbish. People eat meat. People eat fish. People don't eat the seals, and they use it for fashion.

KING: All right. Heather let him finish.

H. MCCARTNEY: It's not relevant.

WILLIAMS: The other thing that's very relevant here, Larry, is that -- and I don't attribute this to the McCartneys, but this is where I think this is where they're being used. These organizations, the IFAW, Green Peace, PETA raise significant amounts of money. There are hundreds of millions of dollars that are being raised by these organizations.

And let me tell you the FBI right now have a file opened in their terrorism division investigating organizations like this, including the PETA organization, from a terrorism perspective.

So there are some huge issues here that if we had a couple of hours to go into, I would love to deal with. But what I would like to do...

H. MCCARTNEY: Why are you going off on a tangent? Why are you not sticking to the seal hunt, the fact that it's used for fashion, the fact that they are inhumanely killed and hours and hours and years and years of footage to prove it.

Why don't you stick to the subject? You're such a politician. You keep going off on irrelevant things like beef that people eat, fish that people eat. People don't eat seals.

WILLIAMS: This is about propaganda. This is about using superstars like your husband. I invite you to come to Newfoundland and Labrador. I will provide you with information. I will provide you with documentaries that will indicate that people from the IFAW who witness this hunt and said there was nothing wrong with it, were fired by the IFAW.

I want you to come to Newfoundland and Labrador. I want you to know the truth and the facts. And I'm certain that you will partner with us and move this forward because I think we can convince you that this is a very humane undertaking.

P. MCCARTNEY: Well, we're here, Danny. You don't need to invite us. Thanks for the invitation, but we're here. We're actually in the studio here. We are in Newfoundland. And we saw the seals yesterday.

And the point is, you know, what we're making -- the point we're making here is that this is inhumane. No matter how much you say it is humane, it isn't. This is a small percentage of the fishermen's income. No matter how much you say it isn't.

This is nothing to do with the depletion of the cod stocks. That's due to human overfishing. And there are plenty of ideas that the Canadian people might be very interested in, in the same way as whale watching has become a huge industry, which used to be whale hunting.

It now -- and the point about this is, in the international arena, Canada is known as a great country, a great people. And this creates a stain on the character of the Canadian people internationally.

H. MCCARTNEY: Why are you so against the seal hunt being stopped? Why do you not want to give the sealers an alternate income and find a solution here so that the federal government, yourselves and the charities can work together to make sure -- the only people that will be harmed in a very small income way -- but still that's the only justification here, if there are finances taken from the sealers.

There's no other justification on this. Why don't you want that to happen? Why don't you want to have peace talks? Why do you want to keep going to war and doing this to the animals?

WILLIAMS: Heather, first of all, Paul, you're in Prince Edward Island now. And I'm in Newfoundland and Labrador. I'm inviting you to come to my province to see that. We are supported by the World Wildlife Fund, a very reputable organization. This is supported by the United Nations and the International Society for Conservation. These are worldwide policy speakers who speak on behalf of the international community. They see nothing wrong with it. And I just want to make your audience aware...

H. MCCARTNEY: And you don't pay anybody in any of those organizations to oversee...


WILLIAMS: ...And I am really sorry that the McCartneys are being used.

KING: I've got to get a break in. We'll be back with some remaining moments.

H. MCCARTNEY: We're not being used.

KING: Don't go away.


KING: Danny Williams, premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, Heather did ask a good question, why not end it and look for alternative ways? Why not end it?

WILLIAMS: Well, you have to end it on the basis that there's something wrong here. But this is about striking a balance in the ecosystem. And, you know, this is being done properly. It's being done humanely. It is a proper undertaking.

The product that comes from seal is not only fur, it's meat. It provides shelter. It provides fuel. It also provides omega-3 oils, which are used for heart problems, arthritis problems, menstrual problems, liver problems. So there's a worthwhile product.

But, Larry, if I could just add one point. And I would like to pick up on something that Paul said. He's talked about the cod and the endangered species. I would welcome Paul and Heather to come and take up the cause for the fact that our very rich cod stocks and ground fish stocks have been virtually extinguished by overfishing by foreigners from the European community.

I plead with them to take up that cause and see if we can restore those stocks that will create employment for the people that live in my province.

P. MCCARTNEY: OK, Danny. But the thing is, one cause at a time. We're here because in three weeks time, the baby seal pups that we saw and that the viewers of this program have seen are due to be clubbed to death or shot, whichever way you want it. Their lives are due to end.

And in this day and age, in the 21st century, there's got to be an alternative. People look at those pictures, people all over the world look at those pictures, right now, and you will not find one person unless it's you, who says, you know what, that looks good to me. That looks OK. Everything's hunky-dory. The point is, it isn't hunky-dory.

It's disgraceful. And the Canadian people have been polled, and when they've been asked in a poll that's not loaded with all sorts of what-if questions, they are asked, do you know about the seal hunt, do you want it to continue, a majority of the Canadian people say they don't want it to continue.

So we're trying to look at all the sides of the argument, and we're just trying to offer you, Stephen Harper, and the Canadian people a possible way out of this mess.

As I said before, you've got a boycott that's costing you millions at the moment on the Red Lobster front. And these are the kind of things that would end if the seal hunt ended. It's a win-win situation, Danny. Go for it.

WILLIAMS: Paul, I've said to you, you also have to look, there are 6 million white tail deer that are being killed in America. There are 200 million cows that are being slaughtered...

P. MCCARTNEY: Yes, but you're getting off the issue.

H. MCCARTNEY: You keep going off it.

P. MCCARTNEY: We're here to talk about the seal hunt.

WILLIAMS: There are 2 billion chickens that are being slaughtered. Why is the fuzzy seal photo-op the important one? Why aren't you down in a slaughter house where cows are being killed or calves are being killed or lambs are being killed or chickens are being killed?

H. MCCARTNEY: Think about it. OK. Let's forget that you don't care about the humanity.

WILLIAMS: It's quite obvious...

KING: One at a time.

WILLIAMS: It's the easy photo-op where you can get the best picture, so, you know, it's obviously that...

KING: Danny, let her speak.

H. MCCARTNEY: How can your accountants not look at a 129 million lost in snow crab exports to America. One hundred and twenty-nine million lost snow crab exports to America. Sixteen million is the lost...

WILLIAMS: Heather, if you and Paul have your way -- if you and Paul take your argument to where you want to go with it, the Red Lobsters will close, the McDonald's will close, the restaurants will close because they all sell beef or poultry. H. MCCARTNEY: We're not trying to have them to close.

P. MCCARTNEY: We're trying to open them.

H. MCCARTNEY: We're trying to open them, so that they don't boycott.

WILLIAMS: That's exactly where it goes.

P. MCCARTNEY: Danny, the point is...

H. MCCARTNEY: We are trying to stop the boycotts on Canada.

KING: One at a time.

P. MCCARTNEY: Danny, can I just have a word here? The point is, you're getting off the issue. You're talking about all sorts of other issues. And that's very like a politician to do. We're trying to just keep on the issue here.

We mentioned that there is a boycott that is really hurting Canada, a boycott against Canadian seafood. Now instead of wandering off the issue, Heather's saying to you, why, if the seal hunt was finished and good alternative methods like eco-tourism, like licensed buy-back programs, which have been done before in whale watching -- if that were to be considered by the prime minister of Canada, there is a way forward here where even economically the fishermen would be better off.

The boycott would end. The minute the seal hunt ends, that boycott goes away. And so we're looking to help, not confuse the issue.

WILLIAMS: And Paul, if you had all the information, and you were properly informed I would welcome your help. But the problem with the boycott is that it is based on misinformation. And people from the IFAW, independent scientists -- veterinarians have actually looked a this and said that this is humane. The World Wildlife Fund has said it is humane.

These people are not being misled. These people know the facts they are scientists. I encourage you...

H. MCCARTNEY: Are you saying you are not losing millions as a country -- you are not losing millions in export of snow crab? Are you saying that you are not losing millions on people that are boycotting? Is that what you are saying?

KING: I am sorry. We are out of time. We appreciate everybody's participation. We hope the public at large learned more. Our friends in Canada learned more.

And we thank all of our guests, Paul McCartney, Sir Paul McCartney, Lady Heather Mills McCartney and Danny Williams, the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Meanwhile, it is time for "ANDERSON COOPER 360." Good night.



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NB Telegraph-Journal | Readers' Forum
As published on page A7 on March 2, 2006

Appeals Board decision panned

I recently sent a letter to the minister responsible for the Workplace
Health, Safety and Compensation Commission (WHSCC) - a Crown
corporation -
about the decision not to reappointment two long-standing Appeals Board
members. These two members provided, between them, more than 35 years
appeals knowledge and WHSCC expertise.

Much to my dismay the minister appointed three new members who, in my
opinion, have no experience with the WHSCC nor the workings of this
commission. To say the injured workers of this province have once again
the shaft, is an understatement.

To throw away the expertise of these two ex-panel members is without a
one of the most ludicrous moves I've seen since being elected. Common
must prevail.

To the new minister, Jody Carr, please revisit this unwise decision and
the appropriate corrections. Injured workers deserve the best this
has to offer. That's the expertise and vast experience of two
well-known and
admired panel members.

Liberal MLA
Saint John Lancaster