Thursday, June 22, 2006


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There is talk of Irving being in the process of building a huge wood
processing facility, possibly a hardwood chipping mill. Anyway, some
people talk about this future facility as the Green Monster because of
the size it's supposed to be, green for Irving. Can you dig up any more
information on this?


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Since Kelly Lamrock told the media that most of our elected officials will agree that I should be banned for life from the New Brunswick Legislature?

I believe that it’s my turn to give my view on Kelly Lamrock.

During my six months protest in front of the Legislature, I met a lot of Liberal Mla’s but Kelly Lamrock never came to see me.

It took a long time for me to get to know Kelly Lamrock.< Months after the protest >

I was told that he was very smart and thinks a lot.


He’s a lawyer so therefore this would put him way up there compare to the so call average New Brunswickers.

Sorry but that’s wrong?!

The Irvings, lawyers, priests or to the blue collar workers. Everyone must be treated equally.

Then suddenly from nowhere?

Kelly Lamrock began to gather a lot of attention from New Brunswickers.


Many would say that he’s the next leader of the Liberal Party.

On a few occasions, he got my attention and I congratulated him for it.
He’s a good speaker.

Behind the scenes the members from the P.C. Party were calling the Liberals - The Kelly Party.

There’s a few from the liberal Party who said - Kelly is way up there but if he went down to the level of the poor New Brunswicker?

He wouldn’t survive 24 hours. He would be dead!

Kelly Lamrock has shown his true colors when he voted that I should be banned from the Legislature for life.

Let me be very clear on one issue.

Kelly Lamrock will never be the leader of the Liberal Party. I would be there up front there on the front line telling the Liberal Party what Kelly Lamrock is all about.


We don’t need a individual who believes that only the so-call smart people should be allowed to be in the Legislature.

If Kelly Lamrock was in my riding? I would put my name in the ring as an independent to attract some votes away from this lawyer.

A MLA from the opposition side who believes that certain New Brunswickers should be banned in a democratic system?

There’s something very wrong here.

If Kelly Lamrock has that kind of attitude as a MLA while in the opposition?

Can you just imagine his attitude as a Minister?

Very scary taught indeed.

I think your freedom of rights have been violated....

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I think your freedom of rights have been violated, freedom of peaceful assembly. I think they have over stepped it. Keep up the fight and faith. You probably have this already but it makes me angry the way they think they can treat the citizens in N.B.

Schedule B

Constitution Act, 1982

Enacted as Schedule B to the Canada Act 1982 (U.K.) 1982, c. 11, which came into force on April 17, 1982


Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:
Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms

Rights and freedoms in Canada 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Fundamental Freedoms

Fundamental freedoms 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and _expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

Democratic Rights

Democratic rights of citizens

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

Maximum duration of legislative bodies

4. (1) No House of Commons and no legislative assembly shall continue for longer than five years from the date fixed for the return of the writs of a general election of its members.

Continuation in special circumstances

(2) In time of real or apprehended war, invasion or insurrection, a House of Commons may be continued by Parliament and a legislative assembly may be continued by the legislature beyond five years if such continuation is not opposed by the votes of more than one-third of the members of the House of Commons or the legislative assembly, as the case may be.

Annual sitting of legislative bodies

5. There shall be a sitting of Parliament and of each legislature at least once every twelve months

Mobility Rights

Mobility of citizens 6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
Rights to move and gain livelihood (2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

Limitation (3) The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to

a) any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of province of present or previous residence; and
b) any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

Affirmative action programs (4) Subsections (2) and (3) do not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration in a province of conditions of individuals in that province who are socially or economically disadvantaged if the rate of employment in that province is below the rate of employment in Canada.

Legal Rights
Life, liberty and security of person 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
Search or seizure 8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
Detention or imprisonment 9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
Arrest or detention 10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention

a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

Proceedings in criminal and penal matters 11. Any person charged with an offence has the right

a) to be informed without unreasonable delay of the specific offence;
b) to be tried within a reasonable time;
c) not to be compelled to be a witness in proceedings against that person in respect of the offence;
d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal;
e) not to be denied reasonable bail without just cause;
f) except in the case of an offence under military law tried before a military tribunal, to the benefit of trial by jury where the maximum punishment for the offence is imprisonment for five years or a more severe punishment;
g) not to be found guilty on account of any act or omission unless, at the time of the act or omission, it constituted an offence under Canadian or international law or was criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations;
h) if finally acquitted of the offence, not to be tried for it again and, if finally found guilty and punished for the offence, not to be tried or punished for it again; and
i) if found guilty of the offence and if the punishment for the offence has been varied between the time of commission and the time of sentencing, to the benefit of the lesser punishment.

Treatment or punishment 12. Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.
Self-crimination 13. A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence.
Interpreter 14. A party or witness in any proceedings who does not understand or speak the language in which the proceedings are conducted or who is deaf has the right to the assistance of an interpreter.

Equality Rights
Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law 15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Affirmative action programs (2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Official Languages of Canada
Official languages of Canada 16. (1) English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada.
Official languages of New Brunswick (2) English and French are the official languages of New Brunswick and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the legislature and government of New Brunswick.
Advancement of status and use (3) Nothing in this Charter limits the authority of Parliament or a legislature to advance the equality of status or use of English and French.
English and French linguistic communities in New Brunswick 16.1. (1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and privileges, including the right to distinct educational institutions and such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the preservation and promotion of those communities.
Role of the legislature and government of New Brunswick (2) The role of the legislature and government of New Brunswick to preserve and promote the status, rights and privileges referred to in subsection (1) is affirmed.
Proceedings of Parliament 17. (1) Everyone has the right to use English or French in any debates and other proceedings of Parliament.
Proceedings of New Brunswick legislature (2) Everyone has the right to use English or French in any debates and other proceedings of the legislature of New Brunswick.
Parliamentary statutes and records 18. (1) The statutes, records and journals of Parliament shall be printed and published in English and French and both language versions are equally authoritative.
New Brunswick statutes and records (2) The statutes, records and journals of the legislature of New Brunswick shall be printed and published in English and French and both language versions are equally authoritative.
Proceedings in courts established by Parliament 19. (1) Either English or French may be used by any person in, or in any pleading in or process issuing from, any court established by Parliament.
Proceedings in New Brunswick courts (2) Either English or French may be used by any person in, or in any pleading in or process issuing from, any court of New Brunswick.
Communications by public with federal institutions 20. (1) Any member of the public in Canada has the right to communicate with, and to receive available services from, any head or central office of an institution of the Parliament or government of Canada in English or French, and has the same right with respect to any other office of any such institution where

a) there is a significant demand for communications with and services from that office in such language; or
b) due to the nature of the office, it is reasonable that communications with and services from that office be available in both English and French.

Communications by public with New Brunswick institutions (2) Any member of the public in New Brunswick has the right to communicate with, and to receive available services from, any office of an institution of the legislature or government of New Brunswick in English or French.
Continuation of existing constitutional provisions 21. Nothing in sections 16 to 20 abrogates or derogates from any right, privilege or obligation with respect to the English and French languages, or either of them, that exists or is continued by virtue of any other provision of the Constitution of Canada.
Rights and privileges preserved 22. Nothing in sections 16 to 20 abrogates or derogates from any legal or customary right or privilege acquired or enjoyed either before or after the coming into force of this Charter with respect to any language that is not English or French.

Minority Language Educational Rights
Language of instruction 23. (1) Citizens of Canada

a) whose first language learned and still understood is that of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province in which they reside, or
b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in English or French and reside in a province where the language in which they received that instruction is the language of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province,

have the right to have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in that language in that province.
Continuity of language instruction (2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the same language.
Application where numbers warrant (3) The right of citizens of Canada under subsections (1) and (2) to have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the language of the English or French linguistic minority population of a province

a) applies wherever in the province the number of children of citizens who have such a right is sufficient to warrant the provision to them out of public funds of minority language instruction; and
b) includes, where the number of those children so warrants, the right to have them receive that instruction in minority language educational facilities provided out of public funds.


Enforcement of guaranteed rignts and freedoms 24. (1) Anyone whose rights or freedoms, as guaranteed by this Charter, have been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction to obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances.
Exclusion of evidence bringing administration of justice into disrepute (2) Where, in proceedings under subsection (1), a court concludes that evidence was obtained in a manner that infringed or denied any rights or freedoms guaranteed by this Charter, the evidence shall be excluded if it is established that, having regard to all the circumstances, the admission of it in the proceedings would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.

Aboriginal rights and freedoms not affected by Charter 25. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed so as to abrogate or derogate from any aboriginal, treaty or other rights or freedoms that pertain to the aboriginal peoples of Canada including

a) any rights or freedoms that have been recognized by the Royal Proclamation of October 7, 1763; and
b) any rights or freedoms that now exist by way of land claims agreements or may be so acquired.

Other rights and freedoms not affected by Charter 26. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.
Multicultural heritage 27. This Charter shall be interpreted in a manner consistent with the preservation and enhancement of the multicultural heritage of Canadians.
Rights guaranteed equally to both sexes 28. Notwithstanding anything in this Charter, the rights and freedoms referred to in it are guaranteed equally to male and female persons.
Rights respecting certain schools preserved 29. Nothing in this Charter abrogates or derogates from any rights or privileges guaranteed by or under the Constitution of Canada in respect of denominational, separate or dissentient schools.(93)
Application to territories and territorial authorities 30. A reference in this Charter to a Province or to the legislative assembly or legislature of a province shall be deemed to include a reference to the Yukon Territory and the Northwest Territories, or to the appropriate legislative authority thereof, as the case may be.
Legislative powers not extended 31. Nothing in this Charter extends the legislative powers of any body or authority.

Application of Charter
Application of Charter 32. (1)This Charter applies

a) to the Parliament and government of Canada in respect of all matters within the authority of Parliament including all matters relating to the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territories; and
b) to the legislature and government of each province in respect of all matters within the authority of the legislature of each province.

Exception (2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), section 15 shall not have effect until three years after this section comes into force.
Exception where express declaration 33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter.
Operation of exception (2) An Act or a provision of an Act in respect of which a declaration made under this section is in effect shall have such operation as it would have but for the provision of this Charter referred to in the declaration.
Five year limitation (3) A declaration made under subsection (1) shall cease to have effect five years after it comes into force or on such earlier date as may be specified in the declaration.
Re-enactment (4) Parliament or the legislature of a province may re-enact a declaration made under subsection (1).
Five year limitation (5) Subsection (3) applies in respect of a re-enactment made under subsection (4).

Citation 34. This Part may be cited as the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


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The Irvings can continue to deny certain citizens to write letters to the edior against the Irving Empire! Sad day in New Brunswick indeed. What do you think?

Lack of rules allowed Irving media empire to grow: report

Last updated Jun 22 2006 02:06 PM ADT
CBC News

A Senate report on media concentration is calling for tougher restrictions when it comes to media ownership, especially in New Brunswick.

The Senate Committee on Transportation and Communications, under Senator Joan Fraser, spent three years studying the Canadian news media and made 40 recommendations, including several on concentration of ownership.

* FROM JUNE 22, 2006: Newspaper group says don't regulate media ownership

The Senate report cited New Brunswick as a good example of what the country should try to avoid. It says a lack of regulations has allowed the Irving family to become too dominant in the province's newspaper market.

"There is a prevailing feeling among some journalists in Atlantic Canada of self-censorship, that some are afraid to actually write what they think is right because they work in an environment where there's one dominant player," said Senator Jim Munson, a former reporter who began his career in New Brunswick.

The Senators want the Competition Act to be amended to trigger an automatic review of a proposed media merger that has that potential.

All of New Brunswick's major English-language newspapers are run by the Irving-owned company Brunswick News.

The family owns three daily papers in Saint John, Moncton and Fredericton and a host of weeklies in small communities across the province. It also owns an oil refinery, pulp and paper mills, and hundreds of other small and medium-sized companies across the Maritimes.

Kim Kierans, director of the journalism school at the University of King's College in Halifax, says many people who testified in front of the committee raised questions about the objectivity of the Irving papers.

She wasn't surprised by the committee's findings. "They were concerned about the fact that you have a dominant media force with dominant industrial base," she said. "The Irvings own 300-plus companies, are hugely wealthy and they employ about eight per cent of the population. There's a certain sense that that is a dangerous situation and it's a unique situation in Canada."

But Fraser says the recommendations are more about finding ways to change the media environment, and less about trashing big media owners that already exist.

"We're not accusing Irving of doing anything wrong. We are saying that the structure that has been allowed to grow over the years presents an almost classic example of how you could set up the situation where abuses could occur."

A few comments from some viewers in New brunswick.

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I missed the news last night and there were some comments from some viewers about the story on me being banned from the New Brunswick Legislature.



Shawn Graham tonight at 8:00pm on Voice of the province.

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I sure wish that I could call in because I would asks him if he voted to have me ban from the Legislature.

Question period at the New Brunswick Legislature...yawnnnn

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Mr. S. Graham: It is the end of the session today, the last question period. My first question is for
the Deputy Premier. During this session, we have addressed a number of important issues pertaining
to energy and forestry. One issue that I felt has not been given the proper attention it deserves is the
fact that we have a declining population base in New Brunswick, and an aging population base. In
fact, a recent report by the Conference Board of Canada clearly outlines this in a document entitled:
“Canada’s Demographic Revolution Adjusting to an Aging Population”.
In our province over the next 10 years, student enrollment is predicted to drop by 25%. This report
states that by 2025, more than 20% of the population in New Brunswick will be over the age of 65.
We have a declining population base and an aging population base.
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The report goes on to state:
Given the time lags involved, Canadian policy-makers and organizations must act now. We have at
most 10 years before the accelerating aging of the population begins to undermine economic
performance and social well-being. If we want to be prepared for the arrival of this demographic
revolution, there is no time to waste.
I would like to ask the Deputy Premier to update us on how, cooperatively, together, on both sides
of the House, we can work to develop policies to address the demographic revolution that is going
to be striking our province over the next decade.
Hon. D. Graham: I commend the Minister of Wellness, who is responsible for immigration. He is
doing his job. I know that the minister was in Ottawa on Monday and was scheduled to go back to
Ottawa today but, for some reason, was not able to go. I can tell you that the minister is on this file.
We have had approximately 2 500 immigrants come in since 1999. That is certainly a lot more than
the Liberal government. It did not even have a plan in place.
Mr. S. Graham: The report by the Conference Board of Canada goes on to address three choices
that are before the policymakers:
There are three ways to address the economic challenge of an aging population and the related
slowdown in labour force growth: increase immigration, increase the number of births, or increase
the number of older people in the workforce. The first two options seek to address a demographic
problem by changing the demographics. The last option takes demography as a given and seeks to
make the best of it.
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The government is talking today about its immigration numbers. Last year, in Atlantic Canada, we
had 8% of the population base, yet only 2% of the new immigrants arriving in our country came to
this region of the country. Here, in New Brunswick, we saw only 800 new immigrants arrive,
compared to Manitoba, which has the same population base, but saw over 8 000 new immigrants
arrive. On the immigration side, that is one issue, and we have further work to do.
However, the issue I would like to address with the Deputy Premier today is how we can increase
participation with an aging workforce in this province. The report clearly outlines that we need to
increase the number of older workers in the workforce. Dignity of work is very important, but
retirement is no longer to be fixed to an arbitrary date. I know that the government wanted to bring
forward legislation to deal with this issue, but did not do the consultation that it had promised. My
question, very succinctly, to the government is this: What incentive-based programs are you looking
at to increase the participation of an older workforce in New Brunswick?
Hon. D. Graham: Again, I am really proud of some of my younger colleagues here. The Minister
of Transportation has just had a new baby, as well as Mr. Carr. We are doing a good job toward that.
I have a challenge for the Leader of the Opposition.
There is no question that our numbers are down. The member for Bathurst knows full well that
during one of the weeks we had off, the Minister of Wellness had a full-day immigration meeting
in Bathurst. That is what we are doing. We are working with the stakeholders and getting people
involved. The numbers are there. It is working.
Mr. S. Graham: I would like to report to the Deputy Premier that I am up to the challenge. I just
have to be home for that to happen.
My question to the Deputy Premier is very straightforward. We are not talking about the
immigration file. I am talking today about ways that governments can aggressively remove the
legislative and structural barriers to those who choose to work beyond the age of 65. Some of the
initiatives that I would like to propose to the government today involve government considering
scrapping the taxes on income that employees earn after their 65th birthday, below a certain income
ceiling. This would be an incentive-based program. If we could minimize the taxation threshold, that
would increase the participation of workers over the age of 65.
We should also offer government-subsidized training to maintain the skills of older workers. It is
that level of skill and knowledge that the older workers possess and that transfer of dollars that is
going to be very important as a mentoring for our younger workers entering the workforce. We
should also consider wage subsidies for employers who hire older unemployed workers. This has
been done very successfully in France, Germany, and Korea.
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Finally, I feel we need to engage very strongly in a publicly funded ad campaign promoting the
continued employment of older workers in New Brunswick. The dignity of work and the personal
empowerment of a job is very, very important. If we can encourage our aging workers to stay
connected to the workplace in their retirement years by providing incentives and subsidies through
other mechanisms, self-employment, mentoring, and other less structured employment arrangements
would enable our province to benefit from the knowledge and experience of older workers.
Mr. Speaker: State the question.
Mr. S. Graham: My question to the minister is this. I have just given you five concrete initiatives.
Would your government be willing to entertain them?
Hon. D. Graham: I will inform the Leader of the Opposition that we are working very hard to send
him home, so he may have some extra time there too.
Certainly, regarding the initiatives that the Leader of the Opposition has announced today, we are
very open to that. I made mention that we are working with all stakeholders. We will certainly look
at all the information. If the Leader of the Opposition wants to provide that to the minister
responsible, by all means. We are certainly working with the New Brunswick Business Council and
with different sectors. I can assure the Leader of the Opposition that we will do that. We are very
open. I also commend one of the media staff here on helping us to build New Brunswick.
Mr. S. Graham: I, too, would like to congratulate the Kaufield family this morning on the birth of
the new baby yesterday. I understand that in Saint John yesterday, Kathy Kaufield did, indeed, give
birth to her second child, which is very encouraging. Oh, and Dan McHardie as well, since we are
in a friendly mood today.
The point that I would like to address with the Deputy Premier, which is very important and which
he has failed to address . . . We have outlined five key areas where we can develop human resource
policies and practices that are friendly to older workers. Your government brought forward a piece
of legislation last year that wanted to end discrimination with respect to workers who want to work
past the age of 65. However, you said you also had to do the consultation. A whole year has passed.
Can the minister update us on the consultation that has been undertaken to date?
Hon. Mr. Carr: I would like to clarify this issue a bit regarding workers over the age of 65.
Currently there is legislation in place that prevents discrimination regarding workers over the age
of 65. We were one of the first jurisdictions in Canada, in fact, in the 1970s, with very progressive
legislation. However, there are exceptions in that legislation for people who are members of a bona
fide pension plan. The government put forward legislation on that last year. However, after that
legislation was put forward, more concerns were expressed to government. We are doing work on
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that, but very clearly, we are leading the pack in the country on this issue. No other jurisdictions
have eliminated that exception for those over 65. We are open to it. We are certainly also very much
open to all of the programs that we provide to our workers. We have 37 000 more people working
in our province today than we did just 7 years ago, and we are going to do even more, because we
have a vibrant and positive economy. We have the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years, the lowest
I have ever seen in my lifetime, and we are going to do more.
Government Agenda
Mr. MacIntyre: I am definitely not talking about babies. We should ban final days if we are down
to this. I know they put a great deal of effort into this subject, but I am moving on.
My question is also for the acting Premier. Looking at this tired, sorry, worn-out bunch across the
aisle today, it is hard to believe that these are the same people who were bright-eyed and bushytailed
at the start of this session. They were so full of hope and promise. Now, they are just full of
hype and broken promises.
Perhaps I should get to my question. This government made 45 specific commitments to be achieved
in this session—45 items in its work plan. As of today, fully or partially, it has completed 15 of
them. The majority of these are only partially completed.
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Can the Acting Premier tell us why this government was only able to get one third of its work done
in this session? Why did the Premier spend more time trying to play around with the rules rather
than doing his job?
Hon. D. Graham: When I look over at the front bench, I see individuals who have been here since
I have, since 1993. I can tell you that they are pretty tired also.
We have fulfilled our agenda, why we came to this House. There are record dollars in health care,
record dollars in education, lower taxes, and regulation on gasoline. We have fulfilled our
commitment, and the people of New Brunswick will tell us that too.
Postsecondary Education
Mr. MacIntyre: The tired benches are over there. It is pretty bad when your eye winks and five of
them stand up. They wanted to know at which one I was winking, and it was my eye.
There is only one thing we have come to learn about these Tories: They hate government, but they
love power. Perhaps that is why we have only one third of what they promised to do. Even that
onethird was mostly incomplete.
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My question is for the Minister of Post-Secondary Education and Training. The minister has been
threatening to call a commission on postsecondary education. He said that it was going to happen
soon—this spring. In fact, he and I stood together in Cambridge-Narrows when he said: We are
going to develop a policy on rural schools. Do you know what he has done? Nothing. Spring is now
over, and there is no commission. Will the minister give this House a definite time line for the
fulfillment of this broken promise?
Hon. Mr. Carr: If I look across the way and then at this side, if we want to compare, we are very
energetic on this side of the House. What about all the empty benches on that side of the House
compared to our side? We are energetic because we are doing our job, very clearly.
The audacity of the member who was on the front benches during McKenna days. That government
cut funding to universities, student grants, and funding to community colleges. Not only that, but
it threatened to take away seniors’ homes and made more and more cuts to day cares and our youth.
In fact, we have done a lot for universities and community colleges. We have created 37 000 more
jobs, as a government. We have also increased funding to universities, by 34%; to community
college infrastructure, by $14 million; and to infrastructure for universities, by $55 million. We are
going to continue to do more.
We have taken people off the social assistance rolls. In fact, let me remind the member, who is from
the McKenna government and who was in Cabinet, that when Frank McKenna left office, one of his
biggest regrets—he said it himself—was that he could not create jobs. Over 23 times in that
government’s last few years in office, unemployment was over 12%. Consistently, our
unemployment rates are going down, and they are going to continue to go down. That government
neglected social programs . . .
Mr. MacIntyre: Mr. Speaker, that was not worth the standing ovation. You should ban that.
Sometimes, the benches are empty when you are sitting in them. At least, we are here. We know that
this is a tired government. We have said it all along. It was born tired, and now it wants to get to nap
time. This is what this is all about today.
The government said that it wanted to build a skilled workforce for the future. It made a throne
speech commitment to modernize the government of New Brunswick and the community colleges,
which, by the way, are falling down. Do your job, young fellow. They are falling down. You have
been there eight years, and you have done nothing.
Mr. Speaker, with your tolerance, when will the Minister of Post-Secondary Education and Training
get to work instead of chasing the Premier’s coattails? He has a grin from ear to ear every day. Tell
him to go to work for a change.
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Hon. Mr. Carr: May I remind the member on the front benches of the opposition that, for four
years, from 1995 to 1999, he was a key member of the Cabinet in the Frank McKenna government.
Talk about the community colleges in his own city. In 1996, he was the minister responsible for
employment, community colleges, and advanced education.
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In 1996-97, there was $480 000 for infrastructure. In 1997-98, do you know how much the Liberal
government spent on community college infrastructure? It spent $100 000. When this government
took office, we wanted to turn things around. There were high unemployment rates. The Liberal
government doubled the debt. Unemployment was skyrocketing. That government neglected . . .
We turned this around, in fact, in just seven short years, with $14 million in community college
infrastructure. We also held the line on tuition for community colleges. In fact, when that member
was on the front benches in government, the government increased tuition for community colleges
by $400 per year. That is 300%. That member was not protecting students. However, all he has to
do is look in the mirror. Quite clearly, our commitment is to the students of New Brunswick. We
have done more, and we will continue to do more, for our students as we produce a highly qualified,
educated, and trained workforce. We are well on our way to making New Brunswick the best place
to learn and an even better place to work. I am proud of what our Premier Bernard Lord has done,
and I am proud of our government.
Mr. Lamrock: Some time ago, when we were looking at rural residents who did not have access
to mail, the Minister of Public Safety said that he could not pick up the phone; someone would have
to call him. We would like to find out what he has also been able to pick up and do in terms of relief
for flooding victims. As you know, in areas like Maugerville, Sheffield, Barkers Point, and Lower
St. Marys, the member for Grand Lake and I have been very concerned about the fact that this
government awarded only $2.4 million in flood compensation and kept $1.6 million of it for itself,
leaving only a paltry third of the money to actually help citizens to overcome the flood. Just to make
sure, it has now been over a year since that flood happened. In the disaster, the emergency response
teams acted quickly, but this government seems unable to act quickly. Can the minister confirm now
that the government has completed all of the paperwork and sent in all of the receipts to get all the
compensation that is available from the federal government under the Disaster Financial Assistance
Program? Has he sent in all of the receipts and completed all of the paperwork?
Hon. Mr. Steeves: Yes, we have certainly done that. I must say that this gives me an opportunity
to tell the people of New Brunswick that we have sent the paperwork in from as far back as 1999.
The federal Liberals owed us $5 million. We had the federal minister here in Fredericton, and he
never delivered a nickel. Therefore, we still have money owed to us from the federal government
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from 1999. However, I can assure you that, with this new government and the great working
relationship that we have with it, we will get our money.
Mr. Lamrock: We had some talk about empty chairs. I think that chair is empty even when the
minister is sitting in it, because, when we spoke to the department of Hon. Stockwell Day, the
federal department that operates the Disaster Financial Assistance Arrangements, it confirmed that
not only has all the paperwork not been sent in by the provincial government for this flood, but, in
actual fact, in 1999, there was also a flood in southern New Brunswick, and the government still has
not completed its paperwork. In 2000, there were two storm surges in the month of January and
October. The government still has not sent in all of its paperwork. In 2004, for the rainstorm
associated with Hurricane Bonnie, still, once again, the government—which, by the way, is now run
by the federal minister of the minister’s party . . . Maybe he will tell us that Stockwell Day’s office
is not telling us the truth. However, the fact of the matter is that this minister now knows that his
own federal counterparts in Ottawa are saying that, for seven years, he has not completed the
paperwork on one of every five disasters. My question to the minister is this: If you say you have
done your homework, why is no one in Ottawa and in your own party able to confirm that you have
done your job in responding to one disaster in seven years?
Hon. Mr. Steeves: I laugh at the member for Fredericton-Fort Nashwaak. Here he is now
challenging my civil servants. The opposition members make me smile. They are now saying that
the civil service is not doing its job. I will tell you that my civil service is very competent and
capable. It is a lot more competent and capable than the member sitting over there. I can tell you
that. As far as we are concerned, we are working with the federal civil servants. Has it landed in
Stockwell Day’s office yet? I cannot say that. I can say that my provincial civil servants are very
competent and capable. In fact, some of them are your constituents. Why you keep challenging
them, and why you people keep saying that they are not doing their jobs, is beyond me.
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Mr. Lamrock: Actually, I am going to introduce the minister to the basic concept of his job. It is
called ministerial responsibility. The minister takes responsibility in this Chamber for what is not
done. That is what every member says right in the oath at Cabinet, and I must say that most of his
colleagues remember that. When we ask questions, it is because it is this minister’s job to answer.
He is the one who brought up his civil servants. He is the one trying to subtly now say: Oh, do not
blame me, it is my staff. I do not blame the staff. This is the minister who collects the paycheque.
He gets the title in front of his name. He should answer for it, and he should be embarrassed for
trying to blame his civil servants for what he has not been on top of since he was appointed in 2003.
The only disaster assistance that this minister is on top of is the disaster that has been made of the
Department of Public Safety under his complete negligence and inattention. He is now shifting the
blame to hardworking civil servants. It is disgusting.
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My question is for the Deputy Premier. Seven years and five disasters. This minister has not gotten
his paperwork for it, and now he is trying to blame civil servants by saying that he is not going to
give the answers. He is referring it toward staff. After five disasters and seven years undone, and
the minister blaming the civil servants, should the minister be blaming the civil servants for his
failure? Can the Deputy Premier think of one way in which this minister’s record is consistent with
the idea of ministerial responsibility and Cabinet responsibility in this government’s standards?
Hon. Mr. Steeves: I know the opposition members believe that they would do all of the paperwork.
They believe that they would not need civil servants. I want to tell you that my civil servants . . .
You should be ashamed of yourself. You fellows over there make me laugh. You always condemn
the staff. I will tell you what the staff knows. They know what you fellows are. They know exactly
that we are working with federal civil servants, and we are . . .
Mr. Speaker: Members of the Assembly, I know that everybody is anxious to get out of here this
afternoon, but I must say that we must continue to respect each and every member. When I
recognize a member as having the floor, I expect that you respect that person, whether it be the
questioner or the minister answering the question. The citizens of New Brunswick are not going to
accept that anymore. Today is no exception.
Hon. Mr. Steeves: I have always said that you earn respect, you do not ask for it. I can assure you
that you have never earned yours over there. I will tell you that you have never earned my respect,
because you fellows make accusations that are untrue, and you know full well, and the people
listening out there know full well, that civil servants do the paperwork. I am the minister. I will
protect them right to the end. You can condemn them. You can condemn them continually, and do
not think that they do not know that you condemn them. I am telling you that as far as Stockwell
Day goes, ask Stockwell Day if he does the paperwork. You have had some people over there who
were ministers. As them if they do the paperwork. I will tell you, as the minister, that I am the guy
who will talk with Stockwell Day, but it will be our civil servants who work together to decide
whether everything is legitimate and that everything is done right. That is the way it will be. As long
as I am minister, I will defend the taxpayers’ money and the taxpayers of the province of New
Mr. Speaker: Time.
Alternative Energy
Mr. Kenny: We continue to see industry pass us by when it comes to real investment and alternative
energy. Just today, United Parcel Service announced that it will be using the hydraulic hybrid system
designed by the United States Environmental Protection Agency in its delivery fleet. This means that
it is using less nonrenewable energy, reducing emissions, and proactively making a commitment to
cleaner, more renewable fuels. The Minister of Energy has made her targets for wind energy very
clear. However, this Assembly has yet to be advised of any targets for any other uses of alternative
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energy within this government’s jurisdiction. Can the Minister of Energy tell us today what targets
her department has set out for the use of alternative fuels like ethanol or biofuel in government
operations, and hybrid technologies in the government fleet?
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Hon. Ms. Fowlie: We do have information in our Energy Action Plan in regard to our purposes, in
regard to biodiesel, in regard to fuel additives, and in regard to hybrid vehicles.
Mr. Speaker: Order, please.
Hon. Ms. Fowlie: Departments make their individual decisions on what type of vehicles they will
be looking at within their departments. I know that the Department of Environment does have a
hybrid vehicle it has been utilizing for a number of years now to try to find out where they would
fit into the fleets. We work with the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Aquaculture and the
Minister of Natural Resources in regard to biofuels and biomass plants. These are all under
discussion. I want to assure the member for Bathurst that we are working toward these goals.
Mr. Kenny: I would like to have an update with some information on it, if I could, please. Let’s go
to another example. Just yesterday, Weyerhaeuser pledged to cut emissions in some of their pulp
mills through the use of alternative fuels and technologies. According to the Globe and Mail report,
Weyerhaeuser says that 40% reduction from emission levels in 2000 would be the equivalent of
taking 700 000 cars off the road. Much of their mill modernizations and upgrades will allow these
mills to burn biomass.
We need to support this type of proactive and innovative approach to reducing energy costs and
emissions. This means investment tax credits for innovation, clear benchmarks for hydrocarbon
emission reductions, and a climate that will attract outside investors to New Brunswick. This type
of initiative would have saved struggling mills, like the Smurfit mill in Bathurst. Has the Minister
of Energy had any discussions with her Cabinet colleagues on how investment tax credits and mill
modernization can help reduce energy costs? Or, is the minister content to let her department stand
idle while these operations need her help to become more energy efficient and environmentally
Hon. Ms. Fowlie: The answer to the member’s first question is yes. The answer to his second
question is no.
Mr. Kennedy: Short and sweet, is it not?
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We have suggested that this government take a feasibility study on a pipeline for natural gas in
northern New Brunswick. Natural gas is a clean fuel. In addition to industrial uses, it is shown to
be more energy efficient when it comes to home heating. It only makes sense that we at least explore
the possibility of providing natural gas to this region. We know that the Minister of Energy rejected
looking at this opportunity. We also know that she likes to change her mind, whether it be looking
at a second facility at Point Lepreau or flip-flopping on the gas regulation. Has the minister
reconsidered her position, and will she now support the commissioning of a feasibility study on this
Hon. Ms. Fowlie: I am not sure how I would reconsider a position of saying that we support the
supply of natural gas going to northern New Brunswick. You see, we have been saying that all
along. What we need up there is an anchor load. Am I going to be ordering somebody to start
utilizing natural gas? I cannot do that. Would we like to see natural gas into northern New
Brunswick? Absolutely. I am not sure if that has answered all his questions, but maybe he can come
back next session with better ones.
Recreational Vehicles
Mr. Arseneault: Last year, during the summer tourism season I raised a very important concern that
was brought to my attention by the campground owners across New Brunswick. The concern was
that RVs were staying overnight in Wal-Mart parking lots instead of the campgrounds, making it
very difficult for private campground owners to make ends meet. Although we do not want to lose
any tourists, I did ask the minister to sit down with stakeholders, including Wal-Mart officials and
campground owners, in order to come up with a win-win situation for all.
I have consulted with Nova Scotia tourism officials, and it was brought to my attention that Wal-
Mart in that province will erect signs prohibiting overnight RV parking in the hopes of rerouting RV
owners to utilizing campgrounds. Has the minister approached Wal-Mart officials in New
Brunswick to follow suit, as their colleagues in Nova Scotia?
Hon. Mrs. MacAlpine-Stiles: This is an issue that has been around for a long period of time. I have
talked to the member for Restigouche about this on previous occasions. The staff has been aware
of this. Yes, there has been correspondence with Wal-Mart. Yes, negotiations are going on with
Wal-Mart, and I expect to have a resolution to this before the end of the summer.


if you go to you'll come to a screen with a pac
man like creature, click on it and you'll enter the site. Once you've entered the site click the link on the right side that says "listen to CHSR Shout Cast" and you'll be able to listen to it.

The only problem is that there's about a minute and a half delay but it's not too bad.

It will only be half an hour, not an hour unfortunately but still
enough time. The program is called the Lunchbox and starts at 12:30
and goes until 1pm.

You can blog is all you want. I'll also make sure to get you a CD copy of the interview and we'll make it into Mp3 so you can put it up on your blog.

You should also mention that you can listen on the radio at 97.9 FM as well as online.

Also, I invited Kelly Lamrock to come on and give his side. You'll be interested to know that he agreed to it until they found out it was about you.

They said they would call back and then told us that any issue about security matters needs to be forwarded to Tanker Malley.

We've called him and they said he would call back. I doubt he will
agree to it (atleast for Friday, possibly at another time) but it
would be interesting. Would you bo ok with doing the interview with
Tanker if he does come? If not, we can make alternate arrangements.


IMG_5142, originally uploaded by Oldmaison.


I must write a little long winded blog of the last 48 hours.

I must admit that the media did a good job reporting the issue of me being banned for life from the New Brunswick Legislature.

The Irving reporter Shannon Hagerman did a fair job reporting this story. I was watching and ready for a good Anti-Irving blog but it never happen.


I was a little concern of the CBC television interview because it made me look that I was always hyper but from the reaction on the streets and friends? I guess it was ok.

I sure cannot condemn CBC < Radio and television > because they did a fantastic job in covering my blog.

If it wasn’t for Robert Jones news report of my arrest in Saint John? I would have never had the tape as evidence.

I’m surprise that Global and ATV News never covered the banned but that’s ok.

Tanker has truly shown his true colors in going public about me being banned from the Legislature.

I always believe that Tanker was a friend of mine? I guess not!!!

I’ll get to Tanker Malley in future blogs.

Kelly Lamrock and Stuart Jamieson are two Liberals MLA’S who truly disappointed me.

It was funny because during the CBC television interview, I noticed Abel LeBlanc and Rick Brewer walking across the street.

I quickly confronted them with the media around me.


Abel leBlanc spoke loudly against me being banned from the Legislature and Rick brewer did the same.


I noticed that Kelly Lamrock walking in the parking lot so I quickly shouted at Kelly that I wanted to know why he voted to have me banned for life?


Being a lawyer, he knew what was coming and I was indeed confronting the Liberal MLA with the media behind me.


My God? A blogger leading the pack? We’re getting with the time I guess?

Kelly did say to the media that if they spoke to the MLA’S about this issue that most of them will agree with the ban!

The lawyer was direct and he wasn’t going to back down from his decision.

Even if the blogger was standing right beside him.


I was so caught up in the action that I forgot to take some pictures. So I quickly took my camera out and began clicking away.

CBC wanted to interview me walking around the Legislature.

Guess who came around the corner?

Stuart Jamieson himself. I'm certain that if he would have known that I was standing there with the media? Well, he would have took another route.

He’s one of the 8 MLA’s who voted to have me ban from the Legislature.

I confronted the MLA. I shook his hand and said- So? To you? I’m a security risk at the Legislature?


He noticed the television camera right in his face and wisely he said- I got no comment Charles and quickly moved on.

I’ll get to him later on.

I noticed out front of the Legislature the poor woman sitting on her chair.

She shouted at me to come over but I told her that I couldn’t.

She came over to tell me that she got housing and thanked me very much for my blog.


I told the media afterwards that it all has to do with my day of judgement and not else really matters does it?

This morning, I saw Roy Boudreau an Liberal MLA and shouted- You guys don’t believe in a Democratic system?


He seem confused that I looked very stern and I wasn’t smiling.

It was Rick Doucet last night and I told him the same statement.

I guess that I’ll have to sent my message to these public officials on the streets.

If they believe that they have heard the last of Charles LeBlanc because I’m banned from the Legislature.

Well...they are sadly mistaken!

Because Charles will never go away!

The only sad part is that these MLA’S don’t reply to their email so therefore if I got a concern?

I’m not allowed to tell them in the Legislature so therefore I will have to blog the story.

At the end, it could be very embarrassing to the these MLA’S!

I am so disgusted with the MLA’S in the Legislature that I refuse to paste their daily questions period in this blog.

As a matter of fact? I never watch their childish behavior in the House since I got banned.

They dare to question my behavior??? HA!!!!!

Stay tune for many future blogs on this issue!!!!!