I'll never forget that statement and this was in the late 80s!!!
She died in 1992.
It was in the newscast- The Journal!!
Look at us now?
It's the year 2006 and we're still the only City in Canada who dumps millions of gallons of raw sewage in the Bay of Fundy a day?
Why do we always helped other countries with millions of dollars but we cannot help our own?
Saturday, March 25, 2006
BABARA FRUM SAID IN THE LATE 80S - ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT THE BAY OF FUNDY IS THE BIGGEST TOILET IN THE WORLD???
I'll never forget that statement and this was in the late 80s!!!
On a personal note? I like the guy. I first met the kid in the 90s.
As like the other members of the Irving Family. I don't have a feeling that I'm chatting with a Billionaire.
They all seems pretty open during a conversation.
My battle is with Management not the Irvings.
Now what's your view on Jamie Irving? Do you believe he's going a fine jon with the Telegraph Journal?
Here's a story that was printed months ago in the Globe and Mail!!!
An empire looks to the future
A fifth generation of New Brunswick's richest clan is at the centre of a hot dispute over an LNG megaproject, writes GORDON PITTS
Saint John city councillor Glen Tait is dismayed at the pressure tactics used by Irving Oil Ltd. to extract a long-term municipal tax break for its latest megaproject. In his view, it's a form of blackmail.
"They're big enough to come down with a hammer," says Mr. Tait, describing the ultimatum that forced city council to ram through a 25-year tax deal for Irving's $750-million liquefied natural gas terminal -- or risk losing the project for Saint John.
But Mr. Tait is not anti-Irving. Indeed, he says his opposition to the tax break has been fairly covered by the Irving family-owned Saint John Telegraph-Journal, whose new publisher, 27-year-old Jamie Irving, is the first member of his generation to enter the family empire.
"I must admit I was a bit shocked," said Mr. Tait, the former city fire chief, who was on the losing end of a seven-to-four council vote that approved the tax break, thus igniting a firestorm of protest throughout New Brunswick.
"I said: 'You won't read my comments in the paper,' but it was covered for and against -- and it was equal," Mr. Tait said.
The tax controversy sheds light on what is both old and new about the city's -- and Atlantic Canada's -- most powerful clan. The Irvings' tough-love image in the Saint John area continues, as the grandchildren of empire-builder K.C. Irving carry on the family tradition of getting what it wants, but also delivering jobs and investment to this economically pressed region.
But this time, the public relations drama is being covered by one of their own, Jamie Irving, the oldest child of the fifth generation, who claims to love newsprint and balanced reporting ahead of pulp mills and oil refineries. His stewardship of the Telegraph-Journal will be closely watched, both by media critics and corporate power junkies, for he is a potential titan-in-the-making.
The empire he may command some day is a sprawling, privately owned conglomerate that can be traced to 1881, when founder J.D. Irving purchased a small sawmill in Bouctouche, N.B. J.D.'s hard-driving son, K.C. Irving, built an integrated industrial powerhouse, taking the company into pulp and paper mills, shipbuilding, oil and gas, retail, and food processing.
While most family firms lose their drive by the third generation, the Irvings sustained their aggressiveness under K.C.'s sons, James (J.K.), Arthur and John, now all in their 70s. Forbes magazine recently estimated the family's wealth at $4.4-billion (U.S.), making it the world's 117th-largest fortune.
The liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal represents a big move by the fourth generation, led by Arthur's son Kenneth, president of Irving Oil, to build its own legacy in Saint John. The family sees the terminal, to sit beside Irving Oil's deep-water tanker port that supplies its huge refinery, as a key building block in a hub of petroleum, power generation and plastics production that would feed the U.S. market.
The company says the tax break was the final hurdle before Irving, working with Spanish partner Repsol YPF SA, joins the high-stakes race to build these massive terminals, which receive offshore LNG and pump it into pipelines for distribution. Construction is slated to start this spring for a late-2007 launch. It is one of about 50 proposals for new or expanded LNG projects in North America, but it is likely that only a small number of these will be built.
The fallout from the tax break is also a baptism of fire for Kenneth's young cousin, Jamie Irving, who has chosen the relative backwater of the media holdings to make his mark, instead of core operations, such as the energy unit or the big forest products business run by his father Jim Irving Jr. and grandfather James Irving.
After two years at one of the family's weekly papers, in December he vaulted into the publisher's job at the Telegraph-Journal and its regional edition, which, along with Irving newspapers in Moncton and Fredericton, form a family-owned monopoly of English-language dailies in the province.
It is still very early, but local critics are pleased with what they see so far. Sources at the Telegraph-Journal say Mr. Irving has indicated he wants the staff at the daily to feel proud to work there. He instructed the newspaper's editors to come down the middle in covering the terminal debate.
"He really does show a genuine interest in trying to produce good newspapers," says Kim Kierans, director of the journalism faculty at University of Kings College in Halifax. However, Ms. Kierans and other media analysts say the real test will be the paper's day-to-day coverage of the newspaper's powerful owners and their tentacles.
Jamie is a protégé of veteran editor Neil Reynolds, who has run the newsrooms of several Canadian dailies, including the Telegraph-Journal and its now defunct sister, the Times Globe. He was hired, fired and rehired by the Irvings within his turbulent four-year regime. "Jamie has a grasp of what a newspaper can be in a community," says Mr. Reynolds, who worked with Mr. Irving when the latter was a summer intern.
One advantage Mr. Irving does have over previous publishers is access to his famously secretive family. Last week, in the midst of the tax-break uproar, the newspaper obtained an interview with Kenneth Irving, the first interview one of Canada's major energy executives has given in two years. However, Jamie Irving, who holds a masters of journalism from Columbia University, is not responding to interview requests. The family may want an even lower profile than usual while a Senate committee is reviewing mass media concentration.
Of course, it would be hard for any newspaper to ignore the torrential controversy that has broken out over the favourable tax treatment of Irving Oil's proposed LNG terminal.
The council's granting of a 25-year fixed tax echoes the old days when the late K.C. Irving would lock up generous 15- to 30-year tax and water deals for his mills and refinery from grateful municipalities.
Now, his grandson Kenneth has won a 25-year tax bill of $500,000 annually, with no inflation indexing, on a terminal project whose value would otherwise yield $3-million to $5-million a year for the city.
In poverty-afflicted Saint John, which is losing population to the suburbs, that amounts to a potential $60-million to $100-million in forgone revenue over 25 years.
"The bottom line is we have 69,000 people living in the city and one-third of them are seniors on fixed incomes," says dissident councillor Ivan Court. "They have no room at all to pay additional taxation. On the other side, you have a billionaire family who is getting tax avoidance."
Yet, Mr. Court and other tax-break opponents say this is not about the family, and that Repsol, not Irving Oil, is driving the demands for a rich tax incentive. City councillors say the Spanish firm, believed to be the majority partner in the terminal, initially wanted no tax at all.
Critics say the key issues are tax equity and the decision-making process. Their major target is Mayor Norm McFarlane, who exclusively negotiated the tax break with Irving Oil, then urged the council to push it through in a single evening session on March 21.
Without the concessions, he said, Repsol, which is supplying the natural gas, would let its option expire at midnight that night and go looking for another site. To support his case, the mayor pointed to the relatively light tax burden of LNG terminals in U.S. cities, although some of those numbers have been disputed in the media.
The mayor admitted the negotiating process was unorthodox because of the energy partners' insistence on confidentiality. But he said his critics have lost sight of the big picture: The potential loss of a $750-million project, one of the elite few LNG terminals to reach this advanced stage, with huge spinoffs in new industry.
He pointed out that the $500,000 in annual tax will require no additional city services at the terminal site. The existing Irving tanker port already pays about $430,000 a year with no city services.
But the $500,000 looks light compared with the $3-million a year to be paid over 20 years by Anadarko Petroleum Corp.'s $450-million proposed terminal at Bear Head on Cape Breton Island. After the first year of operation, the tax at Bear Head would be indexed to inflation.
However, unlike Irving Oil, Anadarko has not yet lined up a partner that can supply the natural gas.
Others say New Brunswickers have to realize that tax concessions are part of the global game for attracting investment. Donald Savoie, a professor of public administration at Université de Moncton, says the Irving-Repsol bargaining is no different than Bombardier's dangling its new jet project before competing municipalities, or the auto makers' scramble for public concessions.
"That is how business is conducted these days," he said, pointing out that the Irvings have proven that they are not fly-by-night operators. "Do they bargain hard? Of course, they are business people."
If it gets built, the project will provide about 700 jobs at peak construction, but only about 20 when it begins operating. That, of course, is a drop in the bucket compared with more than 5,100 employed in the Saint John area by forest products giant, J.D. Irving Ltd., and its sister firm, Irving Oil. The two firms, on their own, make up about 8 per cent of the local work force.
The terminal would complement the family's oil refinery, the biggest in Canada, which handles 250,000 barrels a day, and accounts for half the Canadian export of finished petroleum products to the United States. A few years ago, the refinery underwent a $1.2-billion upgrade.
This week, an Irving Oil affiliate agreed to buy the 75 per cent it did not already own of a natural gas power plant in Saint John. Terms of the agreement to buy the Bayside Power station from Westcoast Energy Inc. were not revealed.
But Mayor McFarlane says he worries about the wider fallout from a proposal, to be put to council this Tuesday, to rescind the tax deal. Even if it doesn't pass, he says, he is concerned about the signal it sends about Saint John's openness to investment.
"There is a great deal of concern throughout Repsol and Irving about this deal," he says, adding that the LNG project itself could still be in peril.
With the controversy refusing to die, it means Jamie Irving will continue to be closely examined for his ability to keep up the even-handed coverage.
He will also be judged by his father, grandfather and uncles as a future leader, which means he will have to demonstrate the Irving fire and toughness. For he is not alone. His sister Kate has just joined the J.D. Irving business and about two dozen fifth-generation cousins are in the wings. The race to build an LNG terminal isn't the only Irving competition to watch.
All in the family
From its beginnings in Bouctouche, N.B., the Irving family empire has grown to encompass oil and gas, shipbuilding, forest products, media and even a Major Junior hockey
James Dergavel: (J.D.) Irving (1860-1933)
Grandson of Scottish immigrants got it rolling by buying a sawmill in Bouctouche, N.B., in 1881.
Kenneth Colin: (K.C.) Irving (1899-1992): son of James Dergavel: (J.D.) Irving
The great empire builder moved to Saint John and took family into energy, retail, food
James (J.K.) Irving: (born 1929): son of Kenneth Colin: (K.C.) Irving
Oldest son inherited management of original business -- trees and forest products -- plus food processing, building supply stores and related operations.
Jim Jr.: son of James (J.K.) Irving
J.K.'s oldest son has day-to-day management of major forestry and pulp and paper operations.
Robert : son of James (J.K.) Irving
Oversees branch operation in Moncton, N.B., consisting of Cavendish Farms, tissue and diaper plants, Midland Transport.
Judy: daughter of James (J.K.) Irving
Owns Moncton-based Hawk Communications, a marketing firm.
Mary Jean: daughter of James (J.K.) Irving
Owns potato farms in PEI, and a Moncton packaging company.
Jamie: son of Jim Jr.
First of his generation, 27-year-old is publisher of Saint John Telegraph
Kate: daughter of Jim Jr.
Younger sister of Jamie, has started working for Uncle Robert in Moncton.
Arthur Irving: (born 1931): son of Kenneth Colin: (K.C.) Irving
Middle son has control of huge family energy business, including Canada's largest refinery and a chain of gas stations.
Kenneth: son of Arthur Irving
Oldest son has operational control of major energy business, including planned LNG terminal.
Arthur Leigh: son of Arthur Irving
Has senior marketing role in energy business.
Daughters of Arthur Irving: Jennifer, Emily and Sarah are not in the business.
John (Jack) Irving: (born 1932): son of Kenneth Colin: (K.C.) Irving
Youngest son took smaller role in property, construction and media.
John Jr.: son of John (Jack) Irving:
A Harvard MBA who has worked in various roles, now with Irvings' real estate.
John (Jack) Irving's daughter Anne and son Colin are not in the business.
Plus about 24 other cousins who are too young to emerge yet as executive talent.
The Irving Family's major holdings
J.D. Irving Ltd., the family forest products arm, owns and manages:
Six million acres of timberland in the Maritimes and Maine
Sawmills, pulp and paper mills
Tissue and diaper plants (Royale, Scotties and Majesta brands)
Kent building supply stores
Kent Homes, modular builder
Cavendish Farms, North America's fourth-largest French fry maker
Midland, Sunbury and RST trucking firms
New Brunswick Southern Railway
Shipping firms, including Kent Line International
Ship and oil rig construction in Halifax. (J.D. Irving Ltd. recently closed its Saint John shipyard)
Irving Oil Ltd., the energy arm owns and manages:
Canada's largest oil refinery in Saint John
Canaport deepwater oil terminal in Saint John
Executive aviation services
A network of service stations in Eastern Canada and New England, including Big Stop restaurants
Dailies in Saint John, Fredericton and Moncton
Thirteen community papers, the dominant N.B. chain
Recently bought a New Brunswick alternative paper with the unique masthead name of [here]
Other family interests:
Major real estate holdings
Construction companies, including Ocean Steel, a maker of structural steel products
Moncton Wildcats Major Junior A hockey team
Hawk Communications, Moncton
Moncton Master Packaging,
GORDON PITTS, DEAN TWEED/THE GLOBE AND MAIL
The executive of the New Brunswick Liberal Party are meeting in Fredericton.
He was enjoring peace until he bumped into me!!!...lol so much for a relaxing walk.
I got a letter printed in the Daily Irving Gleaner and that's a good thing because it's a nice editor.
It's a female and she sounds like a nice person.
Freedom of speech is still alive in the Capital but not in the rest of the Province.
New Brunswickers are not allowed to write Anti-Irving letters in the other newspapers!!!
WHERE THE HECK IS THE FINAL REPORT OF THE SENATE ON THE IRVING MONOPOLY IN NEW BRUNSWICK????
ALMOST ALL OF THE BERNARD LORD CABINET ARE WORKING ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON!! < INCLUDING BERNARD LORD HIMSELF >
Across the street from the Market is a very busy area.
Many people lay down against the trees to enjoy their little meals from the vendors.
This afternoon a young girl appraoched me asking me if I saw the article in the HERE paper about Bloggers???
She was surprised when I told her that I don't bother reading the HERE since the Irvings bought them out last year.
She was surprised once I told her the Irvings were the owners!!!!
Read this one---
The revolution that never came
Doesn’t look like media will be wiped out by blogs anytime soon
There was and perhaps still is a fear among those in the newspaper industry that one day they will wake up and newspapers as we know them will simply no longer be viable or marketable products. They will be replaced and depending upon whom you ask, are being replaced, by Web blogs and news Web sites. The problem with this is that this revolution is supposed to be well underway.
News Web sites have actually become products of newspapers themselves, providing subscribers with extra services while often providing the newspaper with an added revenue source. So, the question remains, what happened to the 'Blog Revolution'?
Wasn't there supposed to be a total reworking of how citizens communicate ideas, especially in the realm of political thought and _expression? Wasn't the ideal that almost everyone would have their own blogs and share their particular insights with those wanting to and capable of finding their sites? Face-to-face interaction could very well cease to exist and the nerds and the recluse about the world kept telling us that this was the best thing that could happen to mainstream media.
So, what's happening out there? In New Brunswick...nothing. It may be better to say, 'very little' rather than nothing at all. As far as political blogs go, the Web site BlogsCanada.ca lists only three based out of this province. The last entry in one was on April 13, 2005 and the last entry in another was a year before that!
There is only one active political blog in New Brunswick, and truth be told, it's not that great.
However, its longevity alone tends to suggest (at the very least) that it has a loyal following or its administrator has a lot of time on his hands and doesn't discourage easily. It is very likely the latter, as comments to his posts are few and far between.
Blogs based out of the larger Canadian cities tend to be more stimulating. There are perhaps 20 or so of these and visiting one often allows you links to the others. A person could probably get a list of the worthwhile blogs in Canada by visiting three and taking note of the links offered from them.
National Post columnist and blogger Adam Radwanski admits that "of the many of thousand of blogs out there, the majority of them are by people you wouldn't listen to if they were talking to your face." He adds that the better ones are in fact "diamonds in the rough".
Some sites like CommentsPlease even allow the public to respond to what is written by a number of these bloggers. At least it did until recently, shutting down (temporarily?) due to the inability of people to basically just tell the truth. The site issued a statement saying quite plainly that the administrator does "not have the time or inclination to check for increasing libellous material," adding that the entire site is in "jeopardy".
While following a response thread, one quickly notices the responses tend to lose relevancy after about dozen and even some of those are just plain rude or worse. After that they go completely downhill. Radwanski adds that it "amounts to a place where people with way too much time on their hands can whittle away their days insulting other people with too much time on their hands." "A lot of it is very angry and uninformed," says Warren Kinsella of www.warrenkinsella.com.
"While a lot of blogs are indeed useful and positive, many have become repositories of anger and sometimes hate. It is very disappointing." Radwanski compares a lot of what appears in blogs to what appears on talk radio, "rather than intelligent analysis, it amounts to everyone trying desperately to be outrageous in hope of attention." He also says that he sees this style becoming increasingly apparent in print media.
What about the ideal? Wasn't the 'Blog Revolution' supposed to allow for the free _expression of ideas and comment? What about all the promises?
Radwanski doesn't believe it's so much a revolution, but simply "amounts to more options than you'd have if the blogosphere didn't exist." Kinsella suggests, "bloggers have believed too much of their own hype and part of that is believing (without explicitly saying) that they are above the law. They are not." In the case of threats of litigation between some bloggers and actual damages sought being a testimony of the failure of this medium, Kinsella, a lawyer himself (as well as author, National Post columnist, political consultant/advisor and punk rocker) states that is not the case. Libel is libel, and "in the immediate and global context of blog publishing" it just shouldn't be allowed, plain and simple.
So, should blogs begin to be run more like newspapers, with editors who actually edit and greater accountability for what appears on their pages? Antonia Zerbisias, a columnist with the Toronto Star and blogger of Azeric says "No and no.They wouldn't be blogs then." Kinsella doesn't necessarily agree, which is nothing new between these two. "Bloggers deserve and need editors," says Kinsella, adding that bloggers enjoy criticizing mainstream media, "but they shriek mightily whenever subjected to the same scrutiny. They like to play the game, as it were, but they do not want to be subject to the same rules." His colleague at the National Post agrees, saying "while there are plenty of quibbles to be had with editors, removing them from the equation means eliminating quality control." All three bloggers do agree on one point; the need for a code of ethics, in some form or another, within the genre.
Kinsella makes the point that bloggers "certainly seem to insist that others in the mainstream media need and deserve" ethical codes. But Zerbisias asks, "who would decide?" The CommentsPlease site is currently experiencing this dilemma. They are looking into a registration process to curb impersonations, and very likely protect itself against legal action in the future before going back online.
The reason the 'Blog Revolution' never took place is because the movement peaked early.
Demands for accountability and ethical writing practices infiltrated the blogger community and with justifiable reasons. The future being faced now by bloggers is whether they will provide a quality product in their own writings or will they become responsible editors to Internet equivalents of letters to the editor forums. The talented have already begun to rise to the top, the less so become discouraged by lack of hits or the amount of time required to keep their blogs up and running while free of questionable sometimes even illegal content.
The wild west of the media is slowly being tamed. Though Kinsella may not be in complete agreement with that statement he does say "being on a communications frontier does not mean one does not owe one's readers some good grammar, spelling and truth."
A couple of weeks ago while walking by the Fredericton Police Station.
I once again notice my little cute friend Monice Verma setting up for an interview.
She always just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time….lol
I just stood there with my camera.
The female officer quickly turned her head to avoid her picture from being taken.
I just stood there and never said a word.
The female cop began to be concern and shouted - Excuse me sir? What do you want???
I still remain silent.
Can I help you? She continued....
Monica turned her head and BINGO!!! Got cha!!!! .lol…
The female officer was very stern and
Monica said - Ohhh he’s harmless…he’s a blogger!!!!
She forgot to say - Pain in the butt Blogger!!!...lol….
The police officer still remain stern so to show her that I was ok?
I asked - Do you know Pat Bonner from the Saint John Police Forces?
She didn’t know the guy. My God?
He’s been a spokeperson for years and years for the Saint John Police Forces.
These rookies don’t know much I guess.
What I found funny was that she was so concern that I was taking a picture of her and hours later she’s on television!
It’s much worst to be in the blog than on ATV News I guess???....lol
A study of the issue founf soon find out that 3/4 of the kids who's on prescription drugs are from poor families.
They cannot afford the proper diagnosis of a child.
This is located near Parkway Mall in East Saint John.
Yes, Saint John could have use the extra money from the LNG deal to clean up their little City.
AND SO WE KNOW AND RELY ON THE LOVE HAS FOR
US. GOD IS LOVE. WHOEVER LIVES IN LOVE LIVES
IN GOD, AND GOD IN HIM.
( 1 JOHN 4:16 *NIV )
The following was sent to me by one of our Brother's in
Christ, a while ago. Please take time to read it for it may
very well change your day!
A little boy wanted to meet God. He knew it was a long trip
to where God lived, so he packed his suitcase with Twinkies
and a six pack of root beer and he started his journey. When
he had gone about three blocks, he met an old woman. She
was sitting in the park just staring at some pigeons.
The boy sat down next to her and opened his suitcase. He
was about to take a drink from his root beer when he noticed
that the old lady looked hungry, so he offered her a Twinkie.
She gratefully accepted it and smiled at him. Her smile was
so pretty that the boy wanted to see it again, so he offered
her a root beer. Again, she smiled at him. The boy was
They sat there all afternoon eating and smiling, but they
never said a word.
As it grew dark, the boy realized how tired he was and he
got up to leave, but before he had gone more than a few
steps, he turned around, ran back to the old woman, and
gave her a hug. She gave him her biggest smile ever.
When the boy opened the door to his own house a short
time later, his mother was surprised by the look of joy on his
face. She asked him, "What did you do today that made you
so happy?" He replied, "I had lunch with God." But before
his mother could respond, he added, "You know what? She's
got the most beautiful smile I've ever seen!"
Meanwhile, the old woman, also radiant with joy, returned
to her home. Her son was stunned by the look of peace on
her face and he asked, "Mother, what did you do today that
made you so happy?" She replied, "I ate Twinkies in the
park with God." However, before her son responded, she
added, "You know, he's much younger than I expected."
Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile,
a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the
smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn
a life around.
People come into our lives for a reason, a season, or a
lifetime. Embrace all equally!
Therefore Send this to people who have touched your life in
a special way. Let them know how important they are. Then
why not have lunch with God yourself?
Wishing you a Wonderful day Charles, and enjoy your lunch
with God today!
With My Love & Prayers,
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