TIM SMITH - ONE NEW BRUNSWICKER HANGS HIMSELF BECAUSE OF THE VLT'S?????
Tim Smith just received a phone call so stay tune!!!!
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After reading Tim's story one may ask the question, who is more dangerous Lord Government or a serial killer. They both kill using different methods. Both have need for power and control. They both allure victims and know fully well that this allurement will lead to the death of victims and yet they proceed. VLTs are a legalized method the to kill. Here is a Part of the story of a serial killer as reported by NBC: (To read full story go to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8873609/) ________________ BTK killer waives trial, admits 10 slayings Dennis Rader gives chilling matter-of-fact account of slayings in court
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET June 27, 2005 WICHITA, Kan. - In a surprise move, Dennis Rader pleaded guilty Monday to 10 counts of first-degree murder before delivering a chilling matter-of fact account of the BTK slayings that terrorized the city beginning in the 1970s.
Rader, 60, of Park City, entered the guilty pleas as his trial was scheduled to begin Monday.
Referring to his victims as “projects,” Rader laid out for the court how he would “troll” for victims on his off-time,
Lord government must be charged with murders and put on trial. Not doing anything about VLTs amounts to maliciously killing people for certanin amount of revenues and that amounts to robbery with the intention to kill.
Lord government should be charged for not doing anything about abuse of prescription drugs which kill people. It has not only failed but maliciously allowed these deaths to take place because of its inaction. It is the responsibility of the government to protect people and it failed to do so. Billions of dollars are paid in taxes in order to seek such protection. It is a contract with the government to protect public and Lord government has violated that contract time and again.
These killings must be stopped and guilty party must be apprehended.Charging for murder and putting Lord government on trial will be a good beginning towards fairness and justice for the people of New Brunswick.
It is curious how I compare the issue of VLT’s to the way drugs were sold back in the seventies up until the early nineties in and outside of malls, school entrances and busy uptown areas basically wherever people had a habit to gather and became a province wide problem of Exploitation of our children and young adults with the avoidance of becoming addicted to marijuana, hashish, acid and the like so the law stepped in to clean it up.
It is an interesting way of looking at VLT addiction as exploitation and it does seem to hold merit based on that theory.
It is true vlt's have been under Government Control for about 15 years in this Province which in all respects must have netted just under a billion dollars to date in that allotted time and yet not one dime has ever been set aside through a properly regulated program of any type whatsoever to build a structure in which they were ever to be housed.
This seriously leaves one to take a second look at the possibility the New Brunswick Government had no intentions of running this program other than to reach out as far into the crowed populace as possible which in turn comes back to exactly what has been suggested, Exploitation by the Governing body of New Brunswick for the sake of prophet,
With no changes to this program as Suicides started to rise through a no way out addiction trap, also a very weak addiction services act does tend to point in the direction of inflicted addictive suicides upon the obsessively weak by none other than the Government of New Brunswick with the sincere intent of financial gain to the death of it's own people.
Exploitation definitely fits the bill and there should be an inquiry into the way this program has been handled over the life of it's existence to see if indeed the Government of New Brunswick is Guilty of Murder for Prophet through a widespread and highly addictive program as they are fully aware of the title this addiction holds over all other forms of gambling (The crack cocaine of Gambling)
The public must be educated on just how big the problem of Video Lottery Gambling really is and how much it is hurting our Municipalities, our Communities and the very Social - fabric of which we live. There has been so much destruction from these things, people committing suicide, family split-ups, immeasurable personal destruction, loss of local revenue, most local businesses are feeling the pinch of this addiction because this is money no longer being recycled throughout the local economy. Regardless of what this government says the reality is the level of money going to the Provincial Government at such a large amount is very hard to replace locally. For example: In Saint John alone the numbers are roughly 25-30 Million Dollars, Fredericton & Moncton would be about 15-20 Million Dollars and the rest is split among the rural areas for a total of over 100 Million Dollars and growing annually. (EACH & EVERY YEAR!!) The truth is regardless of what the Provincial Government has tried to TELL or SELL you, Ask any of the Mayors of the three bigger Cities and they will tell you honestly that they (DO NOT) receive any ($O) of the revenues from VLT's. The Mayor of Saint John, Mr. McFarlane has already came out with that statement, so with this information look at it this way, the City of Saint John is currently complaining about the loss of revenues from the Irving Tax give away which will cost tax payers about 112 Million Dollars over Five years. On that same note the loss of revenues from VLT Exploitation the City of Saint John alone stands to loose at a minimum 25 Million Dollars a year for a total of 125 Million Dollars and approximately 75 more suicides provided the current number of 15 suicides per year does not change over the next five years, Which surpasses the Irving fiasco. But here are the real numbers overall, Combine just these two issues together and Saint John will suffer a setback of over a Quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND ALSO THE IRREVERSIBLE LOSS OF 75 SUICIDES FOR NO PURPOSE WHAT_SO_EVER FOR THE CITY OF SAINT JOHN that cannot or will not be collected or replaced again. I don't know about the average citizen of Saint John but I find that totally criminal and NOT ACCEPTABLE. I believe it is about time Our Government is held responsible for these types of destructions to our local economies and we should make it understood that Creative Governing Should and Must be a top priority within this Province on the next Election. They should also be held responsible for the many suicides in the Province of New Brunswick because of their lack of for site to create a percentage account toward establishing a build up of self gaining revenues off of the prophets of VLT's that could have been used to build a facility to house these highly addictive machines at least 10 years ago which could have come from those funds raised for at least Four years from the time the VLT's were taken into possession. I believe that any Judge that had this issue before him or her today would have to agree that the Government of New Brunswick as it stands today is and has been purposely exploiting Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and Addictive Personalities based on the amount of time this Province has operated and prophet from these machines considering the many other options available to them through the Millions of Dollars over such an extended period of time. PLEASE: E-mail your local MLA's also the Premier's Office and The Lottery Commission to demand that these changes take effect Immediately by using a percentage of the prophets generated by the very addiction in which these Millions of Dollars are raised in the first place and let's stop the killing of our citizens and local economies. And lastly LET US NOT FORGET that 48% of the voting population tried very hard to stop this foreseeable disaster from ever becoming the reality that it has become please once again I ask you to demand these changes as part of the next Election.
This is based on the Pt. lepreau story which was in the Telegraph Journal earlier this year all I’ve done is replace Mr. Lord and friends insults of the Federal Government to the exact things that he said to the Citizens of New Brunswick about VLTs
It is pretty amazing how the Conservative party of New Brunswick has the audacity to make the holier than thou statements toward another party even though the wording is really no different in both circumstances, in both cases it came out the exact same.
Province Strung Along For Six Months (So Far)
People of this Province Feel Misled And Betrayed.
After six months of raised hopes, The Provincial Government has chosen to bail out of a deal and a promise to help New Brunswick with VLT’s and the Millions of Dollars Exploitation Program.
By taking no initiative toward a responsible decision, it has been confirmed that the New Brunswick Government could not overcome the potentially costly precedent it would be setting by “doing the right thing!” on behalf of the citizens of New Brunswick.
I’m NOT flabbergasted that I’m finding this out through the media on such an important issue to New Brunswick,” said Mr. Chisholm Pothier, the Premier’s press secretary.
We feel misled and betrayed,” the people said, and absolutely disgusted by the way we were essentially informed by the media,” Other provincial officials reacted with shock and dismay as well.
I’m absolutely floored,” Mr. Timothy Smith said of the Promise. We’ve been misled,” said Mr. Smith. He argued the Provincial Conservatives had been particularly encouraging when their slight majority government had listened on the issue this winter and spring.
We got the sense it had slowed after the arrogant statement from Mr. Lord on the show,” Voice of the Province (on April 21) He said. But we never had an indication it was not on the table until it was revisited again in May in front of the Legislature.
They were telling us Months ago that an announcement was imminent,” he added. This really shows how little respect the New Brunswick Conservative party has with the people of New Brunswick when it comes to telling the truth he said.
Other provincial insiders noted that the Conservative Government’s side plans with other Maritime Provinces to create hundreds of millions of dollars more from opening racinos, A huge subsidy for the Gambling Industry in Canada’s Poorest Province.
It’s like I said when I was in Fredericton; The Liberal Party should buy a full length mirror and have it fastened to the front of Mr. Lord’s seat in the house so every time he gets up and points his finger to tell his lies and to make his borderline slanderous remarks, he will see exactly where those words should be directed. In the end it’s just an old fashioned case of what goes around comes around you tend to reap the same as you sew –“unfulfilled promises and hollow gestures”. and the lesson we will now endure is this, put your best face on because exploitation will surely pick up the pace in this province through retaliation of his mishandling of these and other files and issues. Kill a few more citizens-make a few more million seems to be the creative governing style of this Government. Timothy Smith, 2005
Lord government is a serial killer. It must be put on trial. It has legitimized these killings which does not make it less guilty. Lord government is not only serial killer but it also comes across as organized crime both on the issue of VLTs and abuse of prescription drugs.
Tim the figure you gave that cities are losing are on low side. Actual figures are much higher. You give the figure which are share of criminal-minded Lord government. There are others who are getting portion of this robbery - the operators of these VLTs.
What do you mean if it is true? Are people not dying or committing suicides because of VLTs? All government has done is legalized these killings by legalizing VLTs. Does this make the crime a lesser crime that way, of course not.
If VLTs were not legalized there would have been criminal charges laid by now and it would have not been difficult to hunt down those responsible and tried and convicted for facilitating killings. Now you cannot because it is legal under provincial law which does not make it any lesser crime. It must change and charges must be laid.
Just about every Irving Convenience store has a Lottery Terminal.
What do you suppose his cut of the gambling profits are? I have noticed some people when faced with the choice between the price of a ticket and the need for a pint of milk for their lunch opt for the ticket!
Something you can't get confused on is this: Lottery tickets are very cheap to buy when you go to the store to buy a pint of milk and you buy a lottery ticket it most certainly will not cost you everything you have and or your life to do so and also the information on where the money goes and what it's purposes are for is public information and can be looked up or found very easily /The problem with VLT revenues is there can be no trace of that money and all the government will say on it is that it is in with other lottery revenues but can not be singled out as to where it is or where it goes also the fact that the hours of operations and other facts of the matter when it comes to this issue is that it is NON-NEGOTIABLE and lives are being lost to this secret with the Government at the wheel.
Lottery ticket may be cheap but those who are addicted do not buy for one or two dollars. I have seen people spending $20 to over $100 on these foolish tickets. $100 will buy lot of milk. Gambling is evil no matter what. VLTs, you are right, are even worse.
One thing is true the New Brunswick Government should and eventually will take or will be proven to be responsible for the VLT suicides that are occurring in this province but the bottom line is it's not just the lord government that should be held accountable it is ALL parties who have taken part in this illegal exploitation since it's beginnings and that goes back to the days of Frank Mckenna and forward. They are all responsible for every suicide that has happened from the first day these criminals took these highly addictive machines into posession and used their Government title to get away with murder.
Some years back the wife of a friend of mine, with 5 kids no less, forged his signature and borrowed $25,000 and promptly spent it on lottery tickets and bingo!
They lost everything!
I have a brother who spends between $60 and $100 a week on lottery tickets and as the prize gets bigger so does his buying. I guess he is banking on his winnings to bankroll his retirement!
I also know several people who play the horses, cards and VLT. They are quick to show the winnings but never the losses!
Is gambling a disease? You bet! One that definitely deserves more than the token lip service it is getting from THE LORD!
I heard on the radio yesterday that Saint John is now going to seek a change in the laws to get a RACINO. Just like PEI they claim it is a WIN! WIN! deal.
They better open up more beds in the phyciatric ward at the regional because they are going to need them.
What Frank McKenna did was not saintly either but McKenna is gone we have to deal with the current devil. Unfortunately Lord uses that argument all the time that such and such was already there under Liberals which is total bull. Now he is the Premier and it matters what he is doing or his government is doing. The rate at which people are committing suicide it is simply criminal of Lord government not to take proper action.
Lord thinks these killing machines are such a great thing, When next election comes and he is thrown out on his ass The Liberals should leave them only in Northern N.B. in and around Mr. Lord's riding since that must be where the 52% of the in favor of comes from, eliminate them in southern N.B. since Lord is so hooked on saying (HIS) people want to keep them so badly for entertainment and no one can be found in southern N.B. that actually voted in favor of these vlts and he can see first hand what it's like to watch only those he claims to care about die and drop off like flys and in the end he too can start blaming someone other than himself for the horror that will be taking place around him since he will no longer be in office.
Have to dissagree on most of these statements . If a man buys a gun and uses it on himself , ya dont blame the gun . I believe in freedom of choice , noone is forceing people to play V.L.T.s . Because some have a weakness to them and make a decision to waste thier money in them , should that mean that me or anyone else who uses them in a more social or entertainment way should have that right taken away ?. In the case of some , its very easy to force blame on something else instead of takeing the reponseabilty of ones actions . Gamblin has been part of all societies and i dont believe anyone can separate them saying , this is good gambling and this is bad gambling . As long as we have scratch tickets , 6/49 , bingo , horseraceing , and the new texas holdem , ( which is now being held in poolrooms and bars ) , then people will always have the decision to take the chance or not . Though i do not agree that these devices should be used in places where alcohol could impede ones decision , they do keep the bars in revenue and allow them to stay open and have employees . The bigger threat in my mind are the scratch tickets that suck money outta our economy for a mere 5 cents on the dollar return to the operator . These scratch tickets , being bought by mothers or dads with kids in tow , is the stepping stone for the next generation of gamblers . These kids watch as dad or mom , have fun and excitement with thier petty habit , and draw a conclusion that gambling is fun and socialbly acceptable . and i guess it is . So in closeing , your statement " one new brunswicker hangs himself because of the V.L.T.s " should read , " one new brunswicker hangs himself because of the CHOICE he made to bet all he had on one of the many gambling sources that are widely available in our society " . If this same person lost all on the stock market , should not the stock markets be taken down ? I have to believe at lest some of the blame has to fall on the person who made the choice , and to put the blame on V.L.T.s is in alot of cases , a mere shift of blame from oneself .
What a piece of crap and convoluted argument. The man who committed suicide is responsible for his actions. He is dead, are you going to dig up his grave and ask hay you are responsible for your death. Or tell his family members that it is ok it was his personal decision.
It is like saying a murder killed his victim because victim was stupid enough to get in his way and victim should have known how to protect himself/herself.
As Tim said it is taking advantage of those who have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) for gambling.
What makes VLTs so hideous is that the government of the day is party to this crime and they must be held accountable for such a crime.
Though your comments are hard as hell to read , I feel you are attacking my feelings of compassion , which of course is not the issue of this debate . Question though , would this person that has this gambling dissorder , if all the V.L.T.s were removed , still have this dissorder and find another venue to satisfy his affliction ? Or is this dissorder of gambling only for the V.L.T. part of gambling ? Please read your blog over before summiting , parts of your last was quess work of your meaning .
It is like any other addiction. You need to minimize whatever cuases addiction. It is like banning cigarette from public place so that it is harder for the smoker to feed his/her habit. That is how I quit when I could not smoke in my own office.
If you eliminate VLTs and make them scarce fewer will develop that OCD for gambling and those who have it will have a chance to overcome it.
"Please read your blog over before summiting , parts of your last was quess work of your meaning ." I am not sure what you mean by "quess work of your meaning".
You know its people like the 10:32 who make such stupid comments that should not even make a comment in the first place. First of all every life is valueable and precious and secondly as far as scratch tickets,The stock market and all the rest have limited hours of operation and are not shoved down your throat from dawn to dusk and the worst of these types of comments is you should never give such a dark and cold statement as you may one day be deeply effected by your own words when, And trust me it will hit home when it effects someone in your own family or circle of friends. And you will try to be effectionate toward that person but be pushed aside as your words will mean nothing to the persons involved with such a horrible dilema which in turn will then hurt you as it has many many people that thought as they say when a murder occurrs in their community,Gee we never saw it comming or that something like that could happen here. So please take the time to see that NOBODY is saying to get rid of these death traps we are all just saying to our government,Please stop exploiting the weak at every available chance you get and lets negociate a proper sulotion that will work for all and not just keep falling short of the all mighty dollar signs over life.
That 10:32 fellow is what we have come to know as Spinks's syndrom. The person has to say something even if it means sh*t all nothing. True when it hits him or one of his family member then he will start thinking more clearly on VLT issue.
I will go so far and say that get rid of these evil VLTs and government must not legitimize this crime.
10:32 here , sorry my bad , thought i was at a debate blog , guess not . Charles , under post a comment should read , post a comment if your with us , if not , then be prepared to be name called and ridiculed . We are not looking for people who think here , just sheep that are easy to manipulate and agree to our uncontested opions .
If it is an opinion then that is great. Ones who get ridiculed deserve it because instead of an opinion it is just hot air and insensitivity. Insensitivity to those who have lost loved ones to VLTs. It is easy to theorize but when you are victim yourself the view changes very quickly. Blaming the victims is easy sport for some.
I have to agree with the guy you're running through the coals. He's raising some points and asking some honest questions that any reporter SHOULD ask although few will because it's not considered politically correct. The writer is simply asking the question of whethere or not the gambler holds any degree of responsibility. He doesn't seem to be advocating or endorsing VLT's and neither do I. However few people want to take any reponsibility for their actions these days and instead want to lay it all on the government. I think the government is responsible (murder charge is a little unrealistic though), should be held accountable and should have the moral decency to remove ALL VLT's. At the same time it has to be recognized that people need to take sresponsibility for their actions as well. I'm glad to see Tim Smith enter this debate as he has first-hand experience. Perhaps he is best to answer the question of whether or not the gambler has any degree of responsiblity.
Spinks, what you require from myself cannot be explained in too great a detail without you also doing some research into the many things I have previously said and or written but in short yes the addict does except a portion of responsibility for his/her actions but the other side of it is that most addictions have hours attached to them as liquer stores have opperational hours drug dealers even have selling hours and also most of these things require you to go to a specific place of business and most are not run by government some have better treatment plans than others some private some government run but you must admit that if this or any other governing body expects to rake in MILLIONS of dollars through a split referendum for entertainment purposes that shorely there must be room to negociate hours of opperations and not exploit the weaknesses of this type of addiction for 16½ hours a day shorely even you can agree that if this was set up for profit from entertainment that these individualls deserve a certain amount of down time to at least avoid these machines for a small portion of the day.and also a proper percentage of these revenues should be put into recovery faciilities and programs and not try to steal even that cash by diverting it to an undisclosed location etc. this is by no means the full story but if you require more you are certainly more than welcome to call me or email me and go further on this issue. Charlie can give you any additional information on how to reach me in other ways for a more indepth conversation and I hope this helps a little and hey you never know maybe I can convince you to cross over to the other side....Thanks.
Problem with Spinks is that he crosses over back and forth hence it is hard to keep up with him. If anyone else does it we simply say that this person has Spinks syndrome. It is hard to discuss anything with someone whose opinions, if you can call them opinions, are like shifting sand. May be Tim can help him to overcome his problem.
Funny though isn't it someone decides to give him the benifet of the doubt and he doesn't seem to have the courage to respond,tipical! Spinks if your out there and we know you are, where's your come back to tim's offer????????
Thanks Tim for the response. We're on the same page and that's a relief. Most here believe the gambler has no responsibility at all. I was always of the thought from seeing your interviews that you never said that. You're doing a great job pushing for the removal of VLT's and I wish you all the best.
This goody-two-shoes preacher is at it again. No one is seeking his advice or give a s**t to his advice but he has to give an advice every so often. Why we have gun control? Why it is not put in every hand? Because some cannot handle it? Yes you may be one of those who does not believe in gun control either. But gun control does save lives.
Get rid of damn government as it wastes too much of taxpayers money when we are so responsible.
Spinks you must talk to Tim instead of playing games here. In one breath you say that it should be responsibility of the person and VLTs are for recreation. And now you are saying they should be eliminated. That is why you are considered a waffler because you cannot make up your mind. Either you are a politician or wanna be a politician and you will fit well under Lord's leadership.
I've always said the VLT's should be eliminated (check earlier posts on the subject) and that the government should have the moral fortitude to remove them. However I've also recognized theat the gambler is also responsible and that the sole innocent victim is the family of that gambler.
A few weeks ago there was pretty good discussion on this in which someone thought we should treat gamblers like children. I disagree. I think the programs for problem gamblers should and in fact must be made available when that gambler seeks help. However, because the gambler is an adult, it is difficult to help them until they recognize they have a problem. Other gambling vices exist even if the VLT's are removed, lottery, horse races, Internet casinos, etc. I'd like to see them all removed but I think we can agree that that is not going to happen.
VLTs are an additional evil. We elect governments to look afer our interests instead they have become predators and praying on the weak. Governments must not be party to such crime.
Once we get rid of VLTs then there will be less temptations and it will be easier to treat the addicts.
It is good to see that you have come around one more time.
I always use my name so that a) people know where it comes from and b) so I can remove something which upon reflection perhaps doesn't belong. Clearly I'm not concerned that people won't like what I say. The evidence on that is quite clear.
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After reading Tim's story one may ask the question, who is more dangerous Lord Government or a serial killer. They both kill using different methods. Both have need for power and control. They both allure victims and know fully well that this allurement will lead to the death of victims and yet they proceed. VLTs are a legalized method the to kill.
Here is a Part of the story of a serial killer as reported by NBC: (To read full story go to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8873609/)
________________
BTK killer waives trial, admits 10 slayings
Dennis Rader gives chilling matter-of-fact account of slayings in court
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET June 27, 2005
WICHITA, Kan. - In a surprise move, Dennis Rader pleaded guilty Monday to 10 counts of first-degree murder before delivering a chilling matter-of fact account of the BTK slayings that terrorized the city beginning in the 1970s.
Rader, 60, of Park City, entered the guilty pleas as his trial was scheduled to begin Monday.
Referring to his victims as “projects,” Rader laid out for the court how he would “troll” for victims on his off-time,
Lord government must be charged with murders and put on trial. Not doing anything about VLTs amounts to maliciously killing people for certanin amount of revenues and that amounts to robbery with the intention to kill.
Lord government should be charged for not doing anything about abuse of prescription drugs which kill people. It has not only failed but maliciously allowed these deaths to take place because of its inaction. It is the responsibility of the government to protect people and it failed to do so. Billions of dollars are paid in taxes in order to seek such protection. It is a contract with the government to protect public and Lord government has violated that contract time and again.
These killings must be stopped and guilty party must be apprehended.Charging for murder and putting Lord government on trial will be a good beginning towards fairness and justice for the people of New Brunswick.
Let’s Take A Second Look At This Comparison
It is curious how I compare the issue of VLT’s to the way drugs were sold back in the
seventies up until the early nineties in and outside of malls, school entrances and busy
uptown areas basically wherever people had a habit to gather and became a province
wide problem of Exploitation of our children and young adults with the avoidance of
becoming addicted to marijuana, hashish, acid and the like so the law stepped in to
clean it up.
It is an interesting way of looking at VLT addiction as exploitation and it does seem to
hold merit based on that theory.
It is true vlt's have been under Government Control for about 15 years in this Province
which in all respects must have netted just under a billion dollars to date in that allotted
time and yet not one dime has ever been set aside through a properly regulated program
of any type whatsoever to build a structure in which they were ever to be housed.
This seriously leaves one to take a second look at the possibility the New Brunswick
Government had no intentions of running this program other than to reach out as far into
the crowed populace as possible which in turn comes back to exactly what has been
suggested, Exploitation by the Governing body of New Brunswick for the sake of prophet,
With no changes to this program as Suicides started to rise through a no way out addiction
trap, also a very weak addiction services act does tend to point in the direction of inflicted
addictive suicides upon the obsessively weak by none other than the Government of
New Brunswick with the sincere intent of financial gain to the death of it's own people.
Exploitation definitely fits the bill and there should be an inquiry into the way this program
has been handled over the life of it's existence to see if indeed the
Government of New Brunswick is Guilty of Murder for Prophet through a widespread and
highly addictive program as they are fully aware of the title this addiction holds over all
other forms of gambling (The crack cocaine of Gambling)
Timothy Smith 2005.
The public must be educated on just how big the problem of Video Lottery Gambling really
is and how much it is hurting our Municipalities, our Communities and the very Social -
fabric of which we live.
There has been so much destruction from these things, people committing suicide, family
split-ups, immeasurable personal destruction, loss of local revenue, most local businesses
are feeling the pinch of this addiction because this is money no longer being recycled
throughout the local economy.
Regardless of what this government says the reality is the level of money going to the
Provincial Government at such a large amount is very hard to replace locally.
For example: In Saint John alone the numbers are roughly 25-30 Million Dollars,
Fredericton & Moncton would be about 15-20 Million Dollars and the rest is split among
the rural areas for a total of over 100 Million Dollars and growing annually.
(EACH & EVERY YEAR!!)
The truth is regardless of what the Provincial Government has tried to TELL or SELL you,
Ask any of the Mayors of the three bigger Cities and they will tell you honestly that they
(DO NOT) receive any ($O) of the revenues from VLT's.
The Mayor of Saint John, Mr. McFarlane has already came out with that statement,
so with this information look at it this way,
the City of Saint John is currently complaining about the loss of revenues from the
Irving Tax give away which will cost tax payers about 112 Million Dollars over Five years.
On that same note the loss of revenues from VLT Exploitation the City of Saint John alone
stands to loose at a minimum 25 Million Dollars a year for a total of 125 Million Dollars
and approximately 75 more suicides provided the current number of 15 suicides per year
does not change over the next five years, Which surpasses the Irving fiasco.
But here are the real numbers overall,
Combine just these two issues together and Saint John will suffer a setback of over a
Quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND ALSO
THE IRREVERSIBLE LOSS OF 75 SUICIDES FOR NO PURPOSE WHAT_SO_EVER
FOR THE CITY OF SAINT JOHN that cannot or will not be collected or replaced again.
I don't know about the average citizen of Saint John but I find that totally criminal and
NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I believe it is about time Our Government is held responsible for these types of
destructions to our local economies and we should make it understood that Creative Governing
Should and Must be a top priority within this Province on the next Election.
They should also be held responsible for the many suicides in the Province of New Brunswick
because of their lack of for site to create a percentage account toward establishing a build up
of self gaining revenues off of the prophets of VLT's that could have been used to build
a facility to house these highly addictive machines at least 10 years ago which could have
come from those funds raised for at least Four years from the time the VLT's were taken into
possession.
I believe that any Judge that had this issue before him or her today would have to agree
that the Government of New Brunswick as it stands today is and has been purposely
exploiting Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and Addictive Personalities based on
the amount of time this Province has operated and prophet from these machines considering
the many other options available to them through the Millions of Dollars over such an
extended period of time.
PLEASE: E-mail your local MLA's also the Premier's Office and The Lottery Commission
to demand that these changes take effect Immediately by using a percentage of the prophets
generated by the very addiction in which these Millions of Dollars are raised in the first place
and let's stop the killing of our citizens and local economies.
And lastly LET US NOT FORGET that 48% of the voting population tried very hard to stop
this foreseeable disaster from ever becoming the reality that it has become please once again I
ask you to demand these changes as part of the next Election.
Timothy Smith 2005
This is based on the Pt. lepreau story which was in the Telegraph Journal earlier this year all I’ve done is replace Mr. Lord and friends insults of the Federal Government to the exact things that he said to the Citizens of New Brunswick about VLTs
It is pretty amazing how the Conservative party of New Brunswick has the audacity to make the holier than thou statements toward another party even though the wording is really no different in both circumstances, in both cases it came out the exact same.
Province Strung Along For Six Months (So Far)
People of this Province Feel Misled And Betrayed.
After six months of raised hopes, The Provincial Government has chosen to bail out of a deal and a promise to help New Brunswick with VLT’s and the Millions of Dollars Exploitation Program.
By taking no initiative toward a responsible decision, it has been confirmed that the New Brunswick Government could not overcome the potentially costly precedent it would be setting by “doing the right thing!” on behalf of the citizens of New Brunswick.
I’m NOT flabbergasted that I’m finding this out through the media on such an important issue to New Brunswick,” said Mr. Chisholm Pothier, the Premier’s press secretary.
We feel misled and betrayed,” the people said, and absolutely disgusted by the way we were essentially informed by the media,” Other provincial officials reacted with shock and dismay as well.
I’m absolutely floored,” Mr. Timothy Smith said of the Promise.
We’ve been misled,” said Mr. Smith. He argued the Provincial Conservatives had been particularly encouraging when their slight majority government had listened on the issue this winter and spring.
We got the sense it had slowed after the arrogant statement from Mr. Lord on the show,” Voice of the Province (on April 21) He said. But we never had an indication it was not on the table until it was revisited again in May in front of the Legislature.
They were telling us Months ago that an announcement was imminent,” he added.
This really shows how little respect the New Brunswick Conservative party has with the people of New Brunswick when it comes to telling the truth he said.
Other provincial insiders noted that the Conservative Government’s side plans with other Maritime Provinces to create hundreds of millions of dollars more from opening racinos, A huge subsidy for the Gambling Industry in Canada’s Poorest Province.
It’s like I said when I was in Fredericton; The Liberal Party should buy a full length mirror and have it fastened to the front of Mr. Lord’s seat in the house so every time he gets up and points his finger to tell his lies and to make his borderline slanderous remarks, he will see exactly where those words should be directed.
In the end it’s just an old fashioned case of what goes around comes around you tend to reap the same as you sew –“unfulfilled promises and hollow gestures”.
and the lesson we will now endure is this, put your best face on because exploitation will surely pick up the pace in this province through retaliation of his mishandling of these and other files and issues.
Kill a few more citizens-make a few more million seems to be the creative governing style of this Government.
Timothy Smith, 2005
Lord government is a serial killer. It must be put on trial. It has legitimized these killings which does not make it less guilty. Lord government is not only serial killer but it also comes across as organized crime both on the issue of VLTs and abuse of prescription drugs.
Tim the figure you gave that cities are losing are on low side. Actual figures are much higher. You give the figure which are share of criminal-minded Lord government. There are others who are getting portion of this robbery - the operators of these VLTs.
If this is true? All the victims families should held a news conference dennouncing the Government! People must stand up and be counted for!!!!
What do you mean if it is true? Are people not dying or committing suicides because of VLTs? All government has done is legalized these killings by legalizing VLTs. Does this make the crime a lesser crime that way, of course not.
If VLTs were not legalized there would have been criminal charges laid by now and it would have not been difficult to hunt down those responsible and tried and convicted for facilitating killings. Now you cannot because it is legal under provincial law which does not make it any lesser crime. It must change and charges must be laid.
Charles:
Just about every Irving Convenience store has a Lottery Terminal.
What do you suppose his cut of the gambling profits are? I have noticed some people when faced with the choice between the price of a ticket and the need for a pint of milk for their lunch opt for the ticket!
How sick is that?
Something you can't get confused on is this: Lottery tickets are very cheap to buy when you go to the store to buy a pint of milk and you buy a lottery ticket it most certainly will not cost you everything you have and or your life to do so and also the information on where the money goes and what it's purposes are for is public information and can be looked up or found very easily /The problem with VLT revenues is there can be no trace of that money and all the government will say on it is that it is in with other lottery revenues but can not be singled out as to where it is or where it goes also the fact that the hours of operations and other facts of the matter when it comes to this issue is that it is NON-NEGOTIABLE and lives are being lost to this secret with the Government at the wheel.
Lottery ticket may be cheap but those who are addicted do not buy for one or two dollars. I have seen people spending $20 to over $100 on these foolish tickets. $100 will buy lot of milk. Gambling is evil no matter what. VLTs, you are right, are even worse.
One thing is true the New Brunswick Government should and eventually will take or will be proven to be responsible for the VLT suicides that are occurring in this province but the bottom line is it's not just the lord government that should be held accountable it is ALL parties who have taken part in this illegal exploitation since it's beginnings and that goes back to the days of Frank Mckenna and forward.
They are all responsible for every suicide that has happened from the first day these criminals took these highly addictive machines into posession and used their Government title to get away with murder.
Confused??
I don't think so.
Some years back the wife of a friend of mine, with 5 kids no less, forged his signature and borrowed $25,000 and promptly spent it on lottery tickets and bingo!
They lost everything!
I have a brother who spends between $60 and $100 a week on lottery tickets and as the prize gets bigger so does his buying. I guess he is banking on his winnings to bankroll his retirement!
I also know several people who play the horses, cards and VLT. They are quick to show the winnings but never the losses!
Is gambling a disease? You bet! One that definitely deserves more than the token lip service it is getting from THE LORD!
I heard on the radio yesterday that Saint John is now going to seek a change in the laws to get a RACINO. Just like PEI they claim it is a WIN! WIN! deal.
They better open up more beds in the phyciatric ward at the regional because they are going to need them.
What Frank McKenna did was not saintly either but McKenna is gone we have to deal with the current devil. Unfortunately Lord uses that argument all the time that such and such was already there under Liberals which is total bull. Now he is the Premier and it matters what he is doing or his government is doing. The rate at which people are committing suicide it is simply criminal of Lord government not to take proper action.
Lord thinks these killing machines are such a great thing, When next election comes and he is thrown out on his ass The Liberals should leave them only in Northern N.B. in and around Mr. Lord's riding since that must be where the 52% of the in favor of comes from, eliminate them in southern N.B. since Lord is so hooked on saying (HIS) people want to keep them so badly for entertainment and no one can be found in southern N.B. that actually voted in favor of these vlts and he can see first hand what it's like to watch only those he claims to care about die and drop off like flys and in the end he too can start blaming someone other than himself for the horror that will be taking place around him since he will no longer be in office.
Have to dissagree on most of these statements . If a man buys a gun and uses it on himself , ya dont blame the gun . I believe in freedom of choice , noone is forceing people to play V.L.T.s . Because some have a weakness to them and make a decision to waste thier money in them , should that mean that me or anyone else who uses them in a more social or entertainment way should have that right taken away ?. In the case of some , its very easy to force blame on something else instead of takeing the reponseabilty of ones actions . Gamblin has been part of all societies and i dont believe anyone can separate them saying , this is good gambling and this is bad gambling . As long as we have scratch tickets , 6/49 , bingo , horseraceing , and the new texas holdem , ( which is now being held in poolrooms and bars ) , then people will always have the decision to take the chance or not . Though i do not agree that these devices should be used in places where alcohol could impede ones decision , they do keep the bars in revenue and allow them to stay open and have employees . The bigger threat in my mind are the scratch tickets that suck money outta our economy for a mere 5 cents on the dollar return to the operator . These scratch tickets , being bought by mothers or dads with kids in tow , is the stepping stone for the next generation of gamblers . These kids watch as dad or mom , have fun and excitement with thier petty habit , and draw a conclusion that gambling is fun and socialbly acceptable . and i guess it is . So in closeing , your statement " one new brunswicker hangs himself because of the V.L.T.s " should read , " one new brunswicker hangs himself because of the CHOICE he made to bet all he had on one of the many gambling sources that are widely available in our society " . If this same person lost all on the stock market , should not the stock markets be taken down ? I have to believe at lest some of the blame has to fall on the person who made the choice , and to put the blame on V.L.T.s is in alot of cases , a mere shift of blame from oneself .
What a piece of crap and convoluted argument. The man who committed suicide is responsible for his actions. He is dead, are you going to dig up his grave and ask hay you are responsible for your death. Or tell his family members that it is ok it was his personal decision.
It is like saying a murder killed his victim because victim was stupid enough to get in his way and victim should have known how to protect himself/herself.
As Tim said it is taking advantage of those who have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) for gambling.
What makes VLTs so hideous is that the government of the day is party to this crime and they must be held accountable for such a crime.
Though your comments are hard as hell to read , I feel you are attacking my feelings of compassion , which of course is not the issue of this debate . Question though , would this person that has this gambling dissorder , if all the V.L.T.s were removed , still have this dissorder and find another venue to satisfy his affliction ? Or is this dissorder of gambling only for the V.L.T. part of gambling ? Please read your blog over before summiting , parts of your last was quess work of your meaning .
It is like any other addiction. You need to minimize whatever cuases addiction. It is like banning cigarette from public place so that it is harder for the smoker to feed his/her habit. That is how I quit when I could not smoke in my own office.
If you eliminate VLTs and make them scarce fewer will develop that OCD for gambling and those who have it will have a chance to overcome it.
"Please read your blog over before summiting , parts of your last was quess work of your meaning ." I am not sure what you mean by "quess work of your meaning".
You know its people like the 10:32 who make such stupid comments that should not even make a comment in the first place.
First of all every life is valueable and precious and secondly as far as scratch tickets,The stock market and all the rest have limited hours of operation and are not shoved down your throat from dawn to dusk and the worst of these types of comments is you should never give such a dark and cold statement as you may one day be deeply effected by your own words when, And trust me it will hit home when it effects someone in your own family or circle of friends.
And you will try to be effectionate toward that person but be pushed aside as your words will mean nothing to the persons involved with such a horrible dilema which in turn will then hurt you as it has many many people that thought as they say when a murder occurrs in their community,Gee we never saw it comming or that something like that could happen here.
So please take the time to see that NOBODY is saying to get rid of these death traps we are all just saying to our government,Please stop exploiting the weak at every available chance you get and lets negociate a proper sulotion that will work for all and not just keep falling short of the all mighty dollar signs over life.
That 10:32 fellow is what we have come to know as Spinks's syndrom. The person has to say something even if it means sh*t all nothing. True when it hits him or one of his family member then he will start thinking more clearly on VLT issue.
I will go so far and say that get rid of these evil VLTs and government must not legitimize this crime.
Agree with above comments. VLTs must go.
New details to follow very soon.
10:32 here , sorry my bad , thought i was at a debate blog , guess not . Charles , under post a comment should read , post a comment if your with us , if not , then be prepared to be name called and ridiculed . We are not looking for people who think here , just sheep that are easy to manipulate and agree to our uncontested opions .
If it is an opinion then that is great. Ones who get ridiculed deserve it because instead of an opinion it is just hot air and insensitivity. Insensitivity to those who have lost loved ones to VLTs. It is easy to theorize but when you are victim yourself the view changes very quickly. Blaming the victims is easy sport for some.
Hey I have a syndrome now. That's great.
I have to agree with the guy you're running through the coals. He's raising some points and asking some honest questions that any reporter SHOULD ask although few will because it's not considered politically correct. The writer is simply asking the question of whethere or not the gambler holds any degree of responsibility. He doesn't seem to be advocating or endorsing VLT's and neither do I. However few people want to take any reponsibility for their actions these days and instead want to lay it all on the government. I think the government is responsible (murder charge is a little unrealistic though), should be held accountable and should have the moral decency to remove ALL VLT's. At the same time it has to be recognized that people need to take sresponsibility for their actions as well. I'm glad to see Tim Smith enter this debate as he has first-hand experience. Perhaps he is best to answer the question of whether or not the gambler has any degree of responsiblity.
Spinks, what you require from myself cannot be explained in too great a detail without you also doing some research into the many things I have previously said and or written but in short yes the addict does except a portion of responsibility for his/her actions but the other side of it is that most addictions have hours attached to them as liquer stores have opperational hours drug dealers even have selling hours and also most of these things require you to go to a specific place of business and most are not run by government some have better treatment plans than others some private some government run but you must admit that if this or any other governing body expects to rake in MILLIONS of dollars through a split referendum for entertainment purposes that shorely there must be room to negociate hours of opperations and not exploit the weaknesses of this type of addiction for 16½ hours a day shorely even you can agree that if this was set up for profit from entertainment that these individualls deserve a certain amount of down time to at least avoid these machines for a small portion of the day.and also a proper percentage of these revenues should be put into recovery faciilities and programs and not try to steal even that cash by diverting it to an undisclosed location etc.
this is by no means the full story but if you require more you are certainly more than welcome to call me or email me and go further on this issue.
Charlie can give you any additional information on how to reach me in other ways for a more indepth conversation and I hope this helps a little and hey you never know maybe I can convince you to cross over to the other side....Thanks.
Problem with Spinks is that he crosses over back and forth hence it is hard to keep up with him. If anyone else does it we simply say that this person has Spinks syndrome. It is hard to discuss anything with someone whose opinions, if you can call them opinions, are like shifting sand. May be Tim can help him to overcome his problem.
Funny though isn't it someone decides to give him the benifet of the doubt and he doesn't seem to have the courage to respond,tipical!
Spinks if your out there and we know you are, where's your come back to tim's offer????????
Thanks Tim for the response. We're on the same page and that's a relief. Most here believe the gambler has no responsibility at all. I was always of the thought from seeing your interviews that you never said that. You're doing a great job pushing for the removal of VLT's and I wish you all the best.
This goody-two-shoes preacher is at it again. No one is seeking his advice or give a s**t to his advice but he has to give an advice every so often. Why we have gun control? Why it is not put in every hand? Because some cannot handle it? Yes you may be one of those who does not believe in gun control either. But gun control does save lives.
Get rid of damn government as it wastes too much of taxpayers money when we are so responsible.
Spinks you must talk to Tim instead of playing games here. In one breath you say that it should be responsibility of the person and VLTs are for recreation. And now you are saying they should be eliminated. That is why you are considered a waffler because you cannot make up your mind. Either you are a politician or wanna be a politician and you will fit well under Lord's leadership.
I've always said the VLT's should be eliminated (check earlier posts on the subject) and that the government should have the moral fortitude to remove them. However I've also recognized theat the gambler is also responsible and that the sole innocent victim is the family of that gambler.
A few weeks ago there was pretty good discussion on this in which someone thought we should treat gamblers like children. I disagree. I think the programs for problem gamblers should and in fact must be made available when that gambler seeks help. However, because the gambler is an adult, it is difficult to help them until they recognize they have a problem. Other gambling vices exist even if the VLT's are removed, lottery, horse races, Internet casinos, etc. I'd like to see them all removed but I think we can agree that that is not going to happen.
VLTs are an additional evil. We elect governments to look afer our interests instead they have become predators and praying on the weak. Governments must not be party to such crime.
Once we get rid of VLTs then there will be less temptations and it will be easier to treat the addicts.
It is good to see that you have come around one more time.
Never did come around. I've been consistent on this point from the get-go. Unfortunately some people read what they want to read.
If you say so. Will keep an eye and next time when you contradict yourself it will be pointed out.
Okay. Wish I had the same luxury for the anonymous posters here but if you get your jollies searching for ways to attack me, fill your boots.
You do contradict yourself frequently. Do you not post anonmously at times? Some anonymoues posts sure sound like your posts in style and content.
I always use my name so that a) people know where it comes from and b) so I can remove something which upon reflection perhaps doesn't belong. Clearly I'm not concerned that people won't like what I say. The evidence on that is quite clear.
Hey Spinks? I do have one question? Why don't you use your real name???
Spinks is not any different than anonymous posters. Only difference is that he goes back and forth, his asssumed name and anonymous.
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