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Israel is a powder keg in the Middle East. If it is not stopped it will start world war III. Humans have so much capacity to tolerate oppression. Lebanon is being annihilated. Killing civilians by the hundreds by the blessings of Bush and now our Prime Minister. It is a shame that Mr. Harper will stoop so low and ruin our image in the world as a peacekeeper.
Situation in the Middle East is intolerable and all the responsibility falls on Israel who has all these weapons of mass destruction and using it.
Strange that France,syria,also have trouble with lebanon as per:
Beirut, 21 June (AKI) - The decision by France not to invite Lebanese president Emile Lahoud to a summit of francophone nations in September threatens to renew friction between Paris and Beirut. Sources close to the president said on Wednesday that Lebanon will boycott the summit to be held in Bucarest Romania, unless the pro-Syrian Lahoud is invited. France has instead invited Lahoud's political rival, Lebanese prime minister Fuad Siniora, to the summit.
why is france,in discussion with its former colony about the protection of children in armed conflict.Is france unhappy with lebanon's placing children in danger.Hmmmm,strange
Riiiight. Everyone in the Middle East just loves Israel. This painting of the Arab World, as some are doing here (get some nicknames by the way, this anonymous stuff is extremely confusing to follow) as a bunch of countries who just want to love in peace is ridiculous. They'll live in peace all right...once they've blown Israel as it is off the map. If there is to be peace (and I doubt there ever will be) all sides have to want it. Right now, nobody wants it enough to do anything about it.
Spinks, you are such a bigot. If Israelis kill Lebanese by the hundreds then they are defending themselves according to you. If Lebanese fight back in defence then they want to destroy Israel. You are such a wuss.
Most civilized countries acknowledge that Hezbollah started the fight by crossing the border to kill three Israeli soldiers and kidnap two. But a growing chorus of international critics and much of the American media are saying, as Annan did, that Israel's response has been "disproportionate."
The criticism, and its attendant calls for an immediate ceasefire, have three flaws.
First, to urge restraint is to suggest Israel should play by different rules than its enemies. Hezbollah, Hamas and the other Muslim terror groups don't warn Jewish civilians to leave a pizza store or a bus before they blow it up. They aim to kill as many as possible in order to terrorize the entire population. Israel, on the other hand, has dropped thousands of leaflets telling Lebanese civilians to leave and has taken precautions to limit civilian casualties.
I suspect the suggestion came from the two or three people who keep posting the same anti-semitic crap comparing Israeli self-defence to the Holocaust.
Israel had taken precaution is a total bull. Over 300 civilian Lebanese killed and counting. Israel is a terrorist state. They are behaving like descendent of Hitler and may be they are.
So the best way to form an opinion on any unsavory episodes is to wait for quebec's opinion then take the correct and opposing view.It is quebec,that is driving Israeli hatred,because of quebec's antisemitism.
Good idea. Blame Quebec. Israel must be preparing to attack Quebec as well. Anti-Semitism is bullshit. People are anti-war and devastation Israel is causing. If there is no other argument then play anti-semitism card. Good old trick which might work.
Because Israel always wins,simply means,they have superior intelligence,and are far superior in defending themself.Only some people learn,not to kick sand in the face of the champ.There will be peace in the valley for awile now.
The idea that Hamas 'started' this is crazy. As you can read on the other thread, in June Israel killed more than 60 people and kidnapped a doctor and his brother. These were civilians, not soldiers like the palestinians then kidnapped. Kidnapping two soldiers doesn't even compare with the murder of 60 civilians and the kidnapping of two civilians.
Most people aren't aware of that, but do some research and stop believing what you see on corporate news.
The idea that arabs are all peace loving is equally asinine, but not nearly so much as saying 'everybody needs to want it'. Wars have been fought before, whether you believe it will end or not. In reality, only one side has rejected every UN resolution aimed at peace. The international community has had numerous plans in place for peace and each time there are two vetos-the United States and Israel.
Anybody who thinks this is about religion or culture is an idiot. Israel is nothing without the US. They fund them and prop up their government. Nothing gets done in this world without the approval of the US.
Ironically, in polls over the last thirty years, virtually every poll shows that americans themselves are in direct opposition to their government's veto. Unfortunately, most of this stuff doesn't get into the paper, it might make them look bad. It's easy enough to find out though, just go to the UN website and look at the resolutions.
Contrary to the above post, the world wants peace- there are just two holdouts, the US and Israel. So you can keep trying to justify it by saying 'oh, both sides are equally to blame', but the reality is that the US and Israel oppose peace at every juncture.
In fact, if you want to do an interesting study, go back to virtually every time there has been a flare up. Typically they come at a point when the Palestinians have been quite peaceful for a time and open to negotiations. Then Israel will blow up an apartment or somebody's van, wait for Palestine to respond, then use that as justification. The media are directly culpable, as they almost always refuse to cover the first Isreali attacks.
For those stating otherwise, don't you think it odd that the country with more nuclear and conventional weaponry than all arab states put together always is portrayed as 'the victim'? To date, I think the number of Israeli casualties is less than a hundred, while Palestinian casualties are in the thousands.
Following is reported by CTV. Israel continues to kill civilians. It is involved in a campaign of mass extermination. ++++++ "The three refugees died when Israeli warplanes attacked their minibus Sunday. Sixteen people were crammed into the vehicle, leaving the village of Tairi for the sourthern port city of Tyre.
Israeli fire also killed Lebanese photographer Layal Nejib, 23, when a missile hit near her taxi in southern Lebanon. She worked for the magazine Al-Jaras, and became the first journalist to die in the conflict.
Earlier in the day, Israeli forces attacked a religious complex in the Lebanese port of Sidon, now overflowing with refugees. The complex was said to be linked to Hezbollah, and four people were injured in the strike"
4:55 PM? maybe you're right but it's a blog and it's the last time that I will bring up this blog to the top.....if people want to act like jackasses in here? then so be it...if it's that dirty in a blog? I can just imagine what's going on face to face./....sigh....
Israel is doing what it feels is in the best interest to protect it's citizens. If the US walked across the border to kidnap Canadians, wouldn't you want your govt to do something?
The question is whether the use of force by Israel justified? My thought is that the response is an over reaction by the Israelis. But one must dig deeper here. Israel needed an excuse to rid the area of Hezbollah and they handed it to them. In the long run Israel will hurt it's people more with this war then protecting them. How many Israelis will die for 2 soldiers?
Ask yourself this...If you could eliminate the threat of having your house bombed or eliminate suicide bombings in your communities, how would your do it?
If your answer is the UN, then ok. But wasn't there a resolution signed at the UN by Israel and Lebanon with a promise to disarm Hezbollah?
This was waiting to happen for a long time and expect a long war... Just pray every night to ask that innocent lives are sparred and thank God for the freedom we share here in Canada.
Unfortunately the other side is not reported. Israel was going again & again into Gaza to kill innocent civilians and abduct innocent citizens. It was Israel who did all the provoking.
Israel by its own admission was preparing for it for 10 years and provoked Gaza citizens time and again. The media here unfortunately ignores that part. It used similar tactics on Lebanon border.
There is only one poster I've seen making the Hitler analogies, but come on, even Charles makes that analogy and where are all the posters calling him an anti semite?
The reality is that the pro-israeli side actually knows that there is no defence, which is why we see the 'maybe they overreacted' defense. And we see comparisons are not off the track at all, since people are making the asinine comment of 'if the US kidnapped canadians wouldn't you want them to act'.
Let's make that analogy real here. Israel has MURDERED canadians and posters still defend them. If I came into your house and shot up your family I suspect you'd have more to say than 'well, both sides are probably at fault'.
To Charles, it's become so evident of Israel's barbarity that posters simply want to avoid talking about it. You can follow the other thread with all the facts-but that's something some people don't like, therefore they simply say 'its anti semitism'. This even though thousands of jews are saying the exact same thing, there was a protest in Jerusalem with over 2000 people, this even though the media would label them as accomplises in terrorism.
To bring it home, while there is no evidence of it that I've found, several blogs and websites are claiming that while people were attempting to flee, the Prime Ministers plane was being loaded with money in Lebanon to be taken out of the country.
So don't listen to the critics Charles, its fine to repost this to the top, and actually by blog standards this is pretty benign.
I shudder when civilians are killed in Israel. Killing civilians is wrong. But Israel is the aggressor and what it is doing amounts to genocide. Killing civilians in Lebanon and Gaza is not justified. Even the international community agrees with that. United Nations agrees with it minus U.S. Israel has enough sophisticated weapons that if it wants to avoid civilian slaughter it can.
As far as this anti-semitism is concerned that is a cheap shot. If you have no other justification for Israel for current massacre of civilians then you play anti-semitism card. Very unfortunate indeed.
Israel has deliberately targeted U.N observe post in Lebanon and killed two observers according Secretary General of U.N. He is right because U.N. is opposed to Israel's aggression. Who will be the next target of Israel?
Answer to your question, acadia, is yes. By all accounts Israel was preparing for this aggression for last ten years.
If there is justice in the world then Israel must be declared a terrorist state. Instead we have Bush and now Harpie. These are the only two morons who support the current aggression and terrorism of Israel.
10:12 PM 4 UN observers were killed. This after UN post repeatedly requested Israel army not to attack. Israel does not want any international witness to their atrocities so they murdered the UN observers.
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Israel is a powder keg in the Middle East. If it is not stopped it will start world war III. Humans have so much capacity to tolerate oppression. Lebanon is being annihilated. Killing civilians by the hundreds by the blessings of Bush and now our Prime Minister. It is a shame that Mr. Harper will stoop so low and ruin our image in the world as a peacekeeper.
Situation in the Middle East is intolerable and all the responsibility falls on Israel who has all these weapons of mass destruction and using it.
Strange that France,syria,also have trouble with lebanon as per:
Beirut, 21 June (AKI) - The decision by France not to invite Lebanese president Emile Lahoud to a summit of francophone nations in September threatens to renew friction between Paris and Beirut. Sources close to the president said on Wednesday that Lebanon will boycott the summit to be held in Bucarest Romania, unless the pro-Syrian Lahoud is invited. France has instead invited Lahoud's political rival, Lebanese prime minister Fuad Siniora, to the summit.
why is france,in discussion with its former colony about the protection of children in armed conflict.Is france unhappy with lebanon's placing children in danger.Hmmmm,strange
Riiiight. Everyone in the Middle East just loves Israel. This painting of the Arab World, as some are doing here (get some nicknames by the way, this anonymous stuff is extremely confusing to follow) as a bunch of countries who just want to love in peace is ridiculous. They'll live in peace all right...once they've blown Israel as it is off the map. If there is to be peace (and I doubt there ever will be) all sides have to want it. Right now, nobody wants it enough to do anything about it.
Spinks, you are such a bigot. If Israelis kill Lebanese by the hundreds then they are defending themselves according to you. If Lebanese fight back in defence then they want to destroy Israel. You are such a wuss.
antiiback, you are making no sense.
Most civilized countries acknowledge that Hezbollah started the fight by crossing the border to kill three Israeli soldiers and kidnap two. But a growing chorus of international critics and much of the American media are saying, as Annan did, that Israel's response has been "disproportionate."
The criticism, and its attendant calls for an immediate ceasefire, have three flaws.
First, to urge restraint is to suggest Israel should play by different rules than its enemies. Hezbollah, Hamas and the other Muslim terror groups don't warn Jewish civilians to leave a pizza store or a bus before they blow it up. They aim to kill as many as possible in order to terrorize the entire population. Israel, on the other hand, has dropped thousands of leaflets telling Lebanese civilians to leave and has taken precautions to limit civilian casualties.
Charles, some suggested?
I suspect the suggestion came from the two or three people who keep posting the same anti-semitic crap comparing Israeli self-defence to the Holocaust.
Israel had taken precaution is a total bull. Over 300 civilian Lebanese killed and counting. Israel is a terrorist state. They are behaving like descendent of Hitler and may be they are.
So the best way to form an opinion on any unsavory episodes is to wait for quebec's opinion then take the correct and opposing view.It is quebec,that is driving Israeli hatred,because of quebec's antisemitism.
Good idea. Blame Quebec. Israel must be preparing to attack Quebec as well. Anti-Semitism is bullshit. People are anti-war and devastation Israel is causing. If there is no other argument then play anti-semitism card. Good old trick which might work.
Because Israel always wins,simply means,they have superior intelligence,and are far superior in defending themself.Only some people learn,not to kick sand in the face of the champ.There will be peace in the valley for awile now.
The idea that Hamas 'started' this is crazy. As you can read on the other thread, in June Israel killed more than 60 people and kidnapped a doctor and his brother. These were civilians, not soldiers like the palestinians then kidnapped. Kidnapping two soldiers doesn't even compare with the murder of 60 civilians and the kidnapping of two civilians.
Most people aren't aware of that, but do some research and stop believing what you see on corporate news.
The idea that arabs are all peace loving is equally asinine, but not nearly so much as saying 'everybody needs to want it'. Wars have been fought before, whether you believe it will end or not. In reality, only one side has rejected every UN resolution aimed at peace. The international community has had numerous plans in place for peace and each time there are two vetos-the United States and Israel.
Anybody who thinks this is about religion or culture is an idiot. Israel is nothing without the US. They fund them and prop up their government. Nothing gets done in this world without the approval of the US.
Ironically, in polls over the last thirty years, virtually every poll shows that americans themselves are in direct opposition to their government's veto. Unfortunately, most of this stuff doesn't get into the paper, it might make them look bad. It's easy enough to find out though, just go to the UN website and look at the resolutions.
Contrary to the above post, the world wants peace- there are just two holdouts, the US and Israel. So you can keep trying to justify it by saying 'oh, both sides are equally to blame', but the reality is that the US and Israel oppose peace at every juncture.
In fact, if you want to do an interesting study, go back to virtually every time there has been a flare up. Typically they come at a point when the Palestinians have been quite peaceful for a time and open to negotiations. Then Israel will blow up an apartment or somebody's van, wait for Palestine to respond, then use that as justification. The media are directly culpable, as they almost always refuse to cover the first Isreali attacks.
For those stating otherwise, don't you think it odd that the country with more nuclear and conventional weaponry than all arab states put together always is portrayed as 'the victim'? To date, I think the number of Israeli casualties is less than a hundred, while Palestinian casualties are in the thousands.
Following is reported by CTV. Israel continues to kill civilians. It is involved in a campaign of mass extermination.
++++++
"The three refugees died when Israeli warplanes attacked their minibus Sunday. Sixteen people were crammed into the vehicle, leaving the village of Tairi for the sourthern port city of Tyre.
Israeli fire also killed Lebanese photographer Layal Nejib, 23, when a missile hit near her taxi in southern Lebanon. She worked for the magazine Al-Jaras, and became the first journalist to die in the conflict.
Earlier in the day, Israeli forces attacked a religious complex in the Lebanese port of Sidon, now overflowing with refugees. The complex was said to be linked to Hezbollah, and four people were injured in the strike"
Ehud Olmert, Prime Minister of Israel is the new Hitler and Bush is his buddy.
4:55 PM? maybe you're right but it's a blog and it's the last time that I will bring up this blog to the top.....if people want to act like jackasses in here? then so be it...if it's that dirty in a blog? I can just imagine what's going on face to face./....sigh....
Israel is doing what it feels is in the best interest to protect it's citizens. If the US walked across the border to kidnap Canadians, wouldn't you want your govt to do something?
The question is whether the use of force by Israel justified? My thought is that the response is an over reaction by the Israelis. But one must dig deeper here. Israel needed an excuse to rid the area of Hezbollah and they handed it to them. In the long run Israel will hurt it's people more with this war then protecting them. How many Israelis will die for 2 soldiers?
Ask yourself this...If you could eliminate the threat of having your house bombed or eliminate suicide bombings in your communities, how would your do it?
If your answer is the UN, then ok. But wasn't there a resolution signed at the UN by Israel and Lebanon with a promise to disarm Hezbollah?
This was waiting to happen for a long time and expect a long war... Just pray every night to ask that innocent lives are sparred and thank God for the freedom we share here in Canada.
People like Kaboom are jackasses who thinks killing civilians is intelligent. Very sad.
Unfortunately the other side is not reported. Israel was going again & again into Gaza to kill innocent civilians and abduct innocent citizens. It was Israel who did all the provoking.
Israel by its own admission was preparing for it for 10 years and provoked Gaza citizens time and again. The media here unfortunately ignores that part. It used similar tactics on Lebanon border.
The tactics being applied are might is right.
There is only one poster I've seen making the Hitler analogies, but come on, even Charles makes that analogy and where are all the posters calling him an anti semite?
The reality is that the pro-israeli side actually knows that there is no defence, which is why we see the 'maybe they overreacted' defense. And we see comparisons are not off the track at all, since people are making the asinine comment of 'if the US kidnapped canadians wouldn't you want them to act'.
Let's make that analogy real here. Israel has MURDERED canadians and posters still defend them. If I came into your house and shot up your family I suspect you'd have more to say than 'well, both sides are probably at fault'.
To Charles, it's become so evident of Israel's barbarity that posters simply want to avoid talking about it. You can follow the other thread with all the facts-but that's something some people don't like, therefore they simply say 'its anti semitism'. This even though thousands of jews are saying the exact same thing, there was a protest in Jerusalem with over 2000 people, this even though the media would label them as accomplises in terrorism.
To bring it home, while there is no evidence of it that I've found, several blogs and websites are claiming that while people were attempting to flee, the Prime Ministers plane was being loaded with money in Lebanon to be taken out of the country.
So don't listen to the critics Charles, its fine to repost this to the top, and actually by blog standards this is pretty benign.
9:41 PM you are indeed sick.
I shudder when civilians are killed in Israel. Killing civilians is wrong. But Israel is the aggressor and what it is doing amounts to genocide. Killing civilians in Lebanon and Gaza is not justified. Even the international community agrees with that. United Nations agrees with it minus U.S. Israel has enough sophisticated weapons that if it wants to avoid civilian slaughter it can.
As far as this anti-semitism is concerned that is a cheap shot. If you have no other justification for Israel for current massacre of civilians then you play anti-semitism card. Very unfortunate indeed.
‘Sick’ you need help. Talk to a psychiatrist.
Israel has deliberately targeted U.N observe post in Lebanon and killed two observers according Secretary General of U.N. He is right because U.N. is opposed to Israel's aggression. Who will be the next target of Israel?
Answer to your question, acadia, is yes. By all accounts Israel was preparing for this aggression for last ten years.
If there is justice in the world then Israel must be declared a terrorist state. Instead we have Bush and now Harpie. These are the only two morons who support the current aggression and terrorism of Israel.
10:12 PM 4 UN observers were killed. This after UN post repeatedly requested Israel army not to attack. Israel does not want any international witness to their atrocities so they murdered the UN observers.
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