If the paper weren't own by the Irvings? They would write editorials until the job was done!!!!
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If we owned that property and building we would have been taken to court by now. Laws for the wealthy and it is endless how this system takes it to such a level of injustice.
What do you suppose would be different if YOU owned the building anonymous? Just what could the city do to you that they haven't already tried with the Irvings? Just what injustice do you suppose has taken place? What would the courts have made you do that they couldn't make the Irvings?
You know, the irvings have a heck of a lot more money then the rest of us rich or poor, so who are they to ask for government funds when they have the finances to totally restore the Old york Street Train Station themselves. It really makes me sick to see the government let them get away with sluffing the station off to on the province. It is our herretage we are letting go down the drain and that is just too much for any of us to tolerate. the only way I would say the province should take up the slack is to have the Irvings to either give the station or, sell it for a nominal fee to the Province then it can be totally restored. to let the old station just rott or be torn down just is not an option what so ever.
It would have been nice to have seen this reported when CN sold it to them for a dollar-if that is true. I wonder what conditions a railway would have to sell a place like that for a dollar? That may well be a rumour but it would be hardly surprising since Irving also bought the southern railroad.
They 'may' have offered it to the municipality for a low fee, and perhaps the city said no because it would cost money to fix up, so once again don't blame Irving for politician's blunders.
However, in most places with functioning democracies this doesn't go on because people have the power to enforce bylaws on residents and corporations.
That's why there are heritage laws in most places. Usually they are municipal laws, I'd be surprised if Fredericton didn't have them as well. Usually any city that has old buildings will have heritage laws that require permits and permissions for people to make changes to historically significant buildings. I expect with many buildings from the 18th and 19th century in the city they have those laws in Fredericton as well.
THe problem is that if such laws exist (people should email their city councillor to see if they do) then they usually deal with 'changes', not to 'fixing up'. So if you buy a building from the 1800's they may state that you can't add a sunroom, but they arent' going to tell you what needs to be 'updated' so long as the structure is sound.
But once again all that takes is a change in legislation, which is the problem. In most of Canada, NB included, people have no idea what the laws are let alone how to go about changing them. Heritage laws can easily be 'updated' to ensure historical buildings are 'updated' within a specific amount of time. In fact, as Irving themselves taught us, the laws can be made just for IRving. So once again they can be FORCED to clean up their oil site on the northside and it can be expropriated if need be. Anybody who has lived in a city knows the city or province can expropriate land and enforce cleanup no problem.
But once again, the only thing lacking is the political will, and I'd suggest that 'defeatism' that goes along with living in the province of Irving. People simply don't think there is any point to going up against Irving so won't bother trying. It takes work to get legislation passed, as Charles can attest, and even then without vigilance a city will try to cater to the wealthy, particularly when they own the only print media in town.
That was another effect of the strike, people saw just how nasty Irving got, even printing the names of strikers and blackballing them. So there is definitely a culture of fear in the province when it comes to Irving. To stand up to them publicly take huge balls, and its doubtful people would join in, and it may well be fruitless. That's pretty much how it was in the 1800's as well if you lived in a company town, and that 'culture' could well be another reason young people are leaving New Brunswick to any other province which doesn't have such a looming presence over every facet of their lives.
Anonymous 9:48, that has got to be the most half baked Idea as to why young people are leaving this province that I have ever heard. As far as most young people are concerned Irving means nothing more than a place to get their gas and maybe an overly steamed hotdog. Is there anything else you want to blame the Irvings for that you might have left out? The war in Iraq, premature balding, Canadian Idol?
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If we owned that property and building we would have been taken to court by now. Laws for the wealthy and it is endless how this system takes it to such a level of injustice.
What do you suppose would be different if YOU owned the building anonymous? Just what could the city do to you that they haven't already tried with the Irvings? Just what injustice do you suppose has taken place? What would the courts have made you do that they couldn't make the Irvings?
You know, the irvings have a heck of a lot more money then the rest of us rich or poor, so who are they to ask for government funds when they have the finances to totally restore the Old york Street Train Station themselves. It really makes me sick to see the government let them get away with sluffing the station off to on the province. It is our herretage we are letting go down the drain and that is just too much for any of us to tolerate. the only way I would say the province should take up the slack is to have the Irvings to either give the station or, sell it for a nominal fee to the Province then it can be totally restored. to let the old station just rott or be torn down just is not an option what so ever.
It would have been nice to have seen this reported when CN sold it to them for a dollar-if that is true. I wonder what conditions a railway would have to sell a place like that for a dollar? That may well be a rumour but it would be hardly surprising since Irving also bought the southern railroad.
They 'may' have offered it to the municipality for a low fee, and perhaps the city said no because it would cost money to fix up, so once again don't blame Irving for politician's blunders.
However, in most places with functioning democracies this doesn't go on because people have the power to enforce bylaws on residents and corporations.
That's why there are heritage laws in most places. Usually they are municipal laws, I'd be surprised if Fredericton didn't have them as well. Usually any city that has old buildings will have heritage laws that require permits and permissions for people to make changes to historically significant buildings. I expect with many buildings from the 18th and 19th century in the city they have those laws in Fredericton as well.
THe problem is that if such laws exist (people should email their city councillor to see if they do) then they usually deal with 'changes', not to 'fixing up'. So if you buy a building from the 1800's they may state that you can't add a sunroom, but they arent' going to tell you what needs to be 'updated' so long as the structure is sound.
But once again all that takes is a change in legislation, which is the problem. In most of Canada, NB included, people have no idea what the laws are let alone how to go about changing them. Heritage laws can easily be 'updated' to ensure historical buildings are 'updated' within a specific amount of time. In fact, as Irving themselves taught us, the laws can be made just for IRving. So once again they can be FORCED to clean up their oil site on the northside and it can be expropriated if need be. Anybody who has lived in a city knows the city or province can expropriate land and enforce cleanup no problem.
But once again, the only thing lacking is the political will, and I'd suggest that 'defeatism' that goes along with living in the province of Irving. People simply don't think there is any point to going up against Irving so won't bother trying. It takes work to get legislation passed, as Charles can attest, and even then without vigilance a city will try to cater to the wealthy, particularly when they own the only print media in town.
That was another effect of the strike, people saw just how nasty Irving got, even printing the names of strikers and blackballing them. So there is definitely a culture of fear in the province when it comes to Irving. To stand up to them publicly take huge balls, and its doubtful people would join in, and it may well be fruitless. That's pretty much how it was in the 1800's as well if you lived in a company town, and that 'culture' could well be another reason young people are leaving New Brunswick to any other province which doesn't have such a looming presence over every facet of their lives.
Anonymous 9:48, that has got to be the most half baked Idea as to why young people are leaving this province that I have ever heard. As far as most young people are concerned Irving means nothing more than a place to get their gas and maybe an overly steamed hotdog. Is there anything else you want to blame the Irvings for that you might have left out? The war in Iraq, premature balding, Canadian Idol?
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