Eighty-seven fewer babies were born last year in New Brunswick than the year before. One hundred and twenty-four more people died. The province's natural increase in population declined again, falling below 300 - in a population of 750,000 people - for the first time ever. Only a decade ago, it was 3,000. The province remains trapped in demographic decline. Fewer births and more deaths.
I notice that the majority of those protesters are old MEN. So much for the theory that men don't have a say in the debate. But keep in mind the population declined mostly due to be people MOVING. So being born in NB doesn't mean the population grows, just that the province educates the workforce of other provinces.
The women who go to the clinic have a right to access medical care without being verbally harassed and abused.
Come down any Tuesday morning and you'll see why this measure is being considered. These people wave their inaccurate and disgusting signs at the patients, they scream obscenities and call the women "murderers" and "sluts" and worse. No matter how you feel about abortion, this is just wrong and these women should be protected.
Next time you go to your doctor's office, how about I stand outside and verbally harass you? Oh wait, I wouldn't do that, because it's ILLEGAL and IMMORAL. Women coming into the clinic are quite often facing one of the most difficult decisions of their lives, and they are in a vulnerable position. They don't need to be yelled at and accused of murder.
The clinic staff needs to be protected too, as there have been two recent incidents involving the protesters physically attacking the volunteer escorts.
No one is contesting the right to protest. What's at stake is the right to bodily safety of these women - the right to access medical care without being made to fear for your life.
If what Pedgehog wrote is true about obscenities, (although it seems a bit odd) I tend to agree that that is uncalled for...period. I'm not sure if yelling at anyone has ever made anyone change their mind. Frankly if all it took was holding a sign to have someone change their mind about killing their baby, I'd be down there too, but I don't think it does. Having the Mother-Child centre next door is a good idea to offer alternatives to expected mothers besides killing their baby by having it dismembered or mummified within the womb. I would hope that even most people who support abortion would agree that other options than that are more desirable.
However the Morgentaler Abortuary is a private business. As such it is free to hire a private security firm if it wants or find a facility where protestors would be unable to be on a public space within feet of the front door. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the majority of Morgentaler's clients aren't living directly in downtown Fredericton so location shouldn't be that much of a problem. Legislation to ban people from the sidewalk seems heavy handed. If they're breaking the law call the police. Otherise if these are peaceful protests instituting a ban because there's a disagreement sets a dangerous precedent.
Oh and 10:05, fathers don't have a say in the debate. Zero. I suspect that's why often there are letters to the editor from men. The courts have taken away their voice on this issue. No wonder a lack of fathers in our society is becoming such a problem. The courts have already said they're virtually irrelevant.
"No one is contesting the right to protest. What's at stake is the right to bodily safety of these women - the right to access medical care without being made to fear for your life."
"I am either someone's boy or a girl" responds:
"I have just been created by the will of God (through his man and women's creation on earth); Could someone wait till I can speak before judging me for a crime I didn't commit and sentencing me to death !, my mother is fine, she may be lost or unsure about a situation that occur, uncertain about a decision she made (or the possible outcome i.e.; me !, (or also a man in all his wisdom who didn't think of conscequences at all)! Isn't it your will to educate and support doctors and the medical system in order for them to protect and give all of us (girls and boys)quality of life for years on end, if so, please give me a chance to live my life also, I would like to get to make decisions and choices for myself just like you do."
P.s: If you dont want to advocate for me, I know God will find someone else to take care of me anyway or else he wouldn't have created me in the first place.
Signed: "I am not a choice, I am either someone's boy or a girl"(and I think I am worth it just as much as you are)
If they could hire a security force that makes no difference, either way the question is the use of public space. If there isn't legislation then the problem stands whether they move to another location, or whether they stay where they are. Without legislation protestors can say that they are breaking no law, and the idea of calling the police every time something happens is absurd.
For the above, a foetus is not a baby, and its not a 'boy' or 'girl' although it may be 'male' or 'female', but quite often at that stage it is neither, in fact very often babies are born with both reproductive organs.
What you just ate for dinner is far more 'human' than a 'potential person'. It felt pain, it had a mother it loved and feels sad or happy, felt fear and loneliness. Then it was brutally slaughtered all so that you can get way too much protein in your diet and way too much cholesterol, in other words, for nothing ('you' in a generic sense since the person who wrote it may well be a vegatarian).
Meat eaters are guilty of far more murder and barbarity than the poor scared women who choose this option. Take a look at how people were talking about the murder of baby seals. Then, it was all 'its an important industry'.
So abortion may be unpleasant, and it may be sad, but its not the most unpleasant deaths around, even though its the most public.
Seals are as or more important than Babies(Human)!
Old White English speaking Men can't think!
Having abortion is medical care!
The more abortions,the more money made!
The more money made available to assist young families the less abortion!
"P.s: If you dont want to advocate for me, I know God will find someone else to take care of me anyway or else he wouldn't have created me in the first place."
Then better call in God and get rid of Graham.I think it's both at fault!
YOU MEAN if i kick you and cause death of Fetus,say named Mary,I am criminally responsible. Does morgantyler look like he been kicked in the face?
Feticide or foeticide, also known as "fetal homicide," as a legal term refers to the deliberate or incidental killing of a fetus due to a criminal human act, e.g. a punch or kick to the abdomen of a pregnant woman. It does not refer to the death of a fetus from entirely natural causes, or through the spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy where the life of the fetus could not be maintained artificially ex utero. Feticide or fetal homicide is punishable as a crime in many jurisdictions. For example, in India, the term feticide is used to refer to the widely condemned practice of killing female fetuses in an effort to secure male offspring while not having too many children.
This isn't about abortion, this is about patients being abused while coming into the clinic (and yes, it *is* medical care). Spinks, if you don't believe me, you're welcome to come down any Tuesday morning and witness for yourself what is being shouted at these women, their partners, and the volunteer escorts.
I agree with Anon 11:45, that it is public space and there has to be rules. This doesn't set any kind of dangerous precedent for protesting, because most protesters don't call people murderers and scream at them that they are killing their child. If they did, well, that's illegal (it's called harassment) and yeah, it should be legislated.
This measure has been taken in Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto and it's working. Look it up. More importantly, it hasn't led to any "slippery slope" situations where protesters of other causes have been affected. The only reason it's being done in this case is that the women's safety is at stake. If you don't believe me that there is a safety concern, like I said, you're welcome to come down any Tuesday morning and see for yourself.
Wrong! Our clinic is actually in the hole. No one works in this industry to make money, believe me - even if there was a lot of money to be made, it wouldn't be worth it because of the threat to your personal safety, and professional reputation.
If you knew anything about Dr. Morgentaler (I recommend "Morgentaler: A Difficult Hero" by Catherine Dunphy) you would know that he has strong socialist roots and definitely is NOT fighting for women's rights to get rich.
Sure,no one makes any money! I have 9 grandchildren.That firstly makes me an old english speaking white useless man,(in your cataract eyes).
Why yes ,these mothers and fathers work quite hard because of their kids. I can see where,"Oh i guess I'll abort them",could have been a thought for some,BUT NOT for these people. Has morky the great ever thought of aborting the mother and keeping the child for the enormous amount of loving people to enjoy? Better come up with something pretty tout suite because morkys screwup is yet to be settled and public opinion is changing----er you may have noticed,because of abortion the pop. is getting older and don't take kindly to a er--a few things.
I have personally been on the sidewalk in front of the Abortuary or Death Camp as I like to call it. I have not personally witnessed any abusive language coming from the Picketers who support the Right to Life of the Unborn.We are told that we are not to go up the stairs or on the personal property of the Clinic. but we may stand and quietly hold signs. Life begins at Conception to Natural Death,or, death because of illness. No Human being has any right what so ever to end the life of the unborn. This society has become a Culture of Death, where there is no respect for life at all. Remember and don't ever forget, a society will be remembered for the way it treats it's most vulnerable Citizens. And that Societ will be Juged by God accordingly.
Well Mr. McKay, you may not have seen them do anything except quietly hold signs, but I have. I have been a volunteer escort at the clinic for three months and I see women get screamed at every week. Not to mention the names I have been called.
If women weren't being harassed, there wouldn't be any need for me and the other escorts to be there. If you want, I can tell you exactly who is doing the harassing (I don't know their names but I know them by sight). I can also tell you who has physically attacked a volunteer escort, and who has called the police with false accusations against one of the escorts (this idiot actually filled her pockets with snow and then accused one of the escorts of pushing her down).
So go ahead, keep saying that you're not doing anything wrong, but every week the protesters break the law and it's about time something was done to protect the women who are being abused.
Even if you do think abortion is wrong, two wrongs don't make a right. The protesters don't change anyone's mind, they are just abusing women and that's not right.
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Pretty dangerous precedent if he does. I'm not sure how you ban people from a public sidewalk.
The same way you ban them from the legislature:)
Eighty-seven fewer babies were born last year in New Brunswick than the year before. One hundred and twenty-four more people died. The province's natural increase in population declined again, falling below 300 - in a population of 750,000 people - for the first time ever. Only a decade ago, it was 3,000. The province remains trapped in demographic decline. Fewer births and more deaths.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070425.RREYNOLDS25/TPStory/Business
I notice that the majority of those protesters are old MEN. So much for the theory that men don't have a say in the debate. But keep in mind the population declined mostly due to be people MOVING. So being born in NB doesn't mean the population grows, just that the province educates the workforce of other provinces.
The women who go to the clinic have a right to access medical care without being verbally harassed and abused.
Come down any Tuesday morning and you'll see why this measure is being considered. These people wave their inaccurate and disgusting signs at the patients, they scream obscenities and call the women "murderers" and "sluts" and worse. No matter how you feel about abortion, this is just wrong and these women should be protected.
Next time you go to your doctor's office, how about I stand outside and verbally harass you? Oh wait, I wouldn't do that, because it's ILLEGAL and IMMORAL. Women coming into the clinic are quite often facing one of the most difficult decisions of their lives, and they are in a vulnerable position. They don't need to be yelled at and accused of murder.
The clinic staff needs to be protected too, as there have been two recent incidents involving the protesters physically attacking the volunteer escorts.
No one is contesting the right to protest. What's at stake is the right to bodily safety of these women - the right to access medical care without being made to fear for your life.
If what Pedgehog wrote is true about obscenities, (although it seems a bit odd) I tend to agree that that is uncalled for...period. I'm not sure if yelling at anyone has ever made anyone change their mind. Frankly if all it took was holding a sign to have someone change their mind about killing their baby, I'd be down there too, but I don't think it does. Having the Mother-Child centre next door is a good idea to offer alternatives to expected mothers besides killing their baby by having it dismembered or mummified within the womb. I would hope that even most people who support abortion would agree that other options than that are more desirable.
However the Morgentaler Abortuary is a private business. As such it is free to hire a private security firm if it wants or find a facility where protestors would be unable to be on a public space within feet of the front door. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the majority of Morgentaler's clients aren't living directly in downtown Fredericton so location shouldn't be that much of a problem. Legislation to ban people from the sidewalk seems heavy handed. If they're breaking the law call the police. Otherise if these are peaceful protests instituting a ban because there's a disagreement sets a dangerous precedent.
Oh and 10:05, fathers don't have a say in the debate. Zero. I suspect that's why often there are letters to the editor from men. The courts have taken away their voice on this issue. No wonder a lack of fathers in our society is becoming such a problem. The courts have already said they're virtually irrelevant.
"No one is contesting the right to protest. What's at stake is the right to bodily safety of these women - the right to access medical care without being made to fear for your life."
"I am either someone's boy or a girl" responds:
"I have just been created by the will of God (through his man and women's creation on earth); Could someone wait till I can speak before judging me for a crime I didn't commit and sentencing me to death !, my mother is fine, she may be lost or unsure about a situation that occur, uncertain about a decision she made (or the possible outcome i.e.; me !, (or also a man in all his wisdom who didn't think of conscequences at all)!
Isn't it your will to educate and support doctors and the medical system in order for them to protect and give all of us (girls and boys)quality of life for years on end, if so, please give me a chance to live my life also, I would like to get to make decisions and choices for myself just like you do."
P.s: If you dont want to advocate for me, I know God will find someone else to take care of me anyway or else he wouldn't have created me in the first place.
Signed: "I am not a choice, I am either someone's boy or a girl"(and I think I am worth it just as much as you are)
If they could hire a security force that makes no difference, either way the question is the use of public space. If there isn't legislation then the problem stands whether they move to another location, or whether they stay where they are. Without legislation protestors can say that they are breaking no law, and the idea of calling the police every time something happens is absurd.
For the above, a foetus is not a baby, and its not a 'boy' or 'girl' although it may be 'male' or 'female', but quite often at that stage it is neither, in fact very often babies are born with both reproductive organs.
What you just ate for dinner is far more 'human' than a 'potential person'. It felt pain, it had a mother it loved and feels sad or happy, felt fear and loneliness. Then it was brutally slaughtered all so that you can get way too much protein in your diet and way too much cholesterol, in other words, for nothing ('you' in a generic sense since the person who wrote it may well be a vegatarian).
Meat eaters are guilty of far more murder and barbarity than the poor scared women who choose this option. Take a look at how people were talking about the murder of baby seals. Then, it was all 'its an important industry'.
So abortion may be unpleasant, and it may be sad, but its not the most unpleasant deaths around, even though its the most public.
Seals are as or more important than Babies(Human)!
Old White English speaking Men can't think!
Having abortion is medical care!
The more abortions,the more money made!
The more money made available to assist young families the less abortion!
"P.s: If you dont want to advocate for me, I know God will find someone else to take care of me anyway or else he wouldn't have created me in the first place."
Then better call in God and get rid of Graham.I think it's both at fault!
When people start putting the same value on a hamburger as a baby, we're headed to hell in a handbasket. What a callous attitude towards human life!
YOU MEAN if i kick you and cause death of Fetus,say named Mary,I am criminally responsible.
Does morgantyler look like he been kicked in the face?
Feticide or foeticide, also known as "fetal homicide," as a legal term refers to the deliberate or incidental killing of a fetus due to a criminal human act, e.g. a punch or kick to the abdomen of a pregnant woman. It does not refer to the death of a fetus from entirely natural causes, or through the spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy where the life of the fetus could not be maintained artificially ex utero. Feticide or fetal homicide is punishable as a crime in many jurisdictions. For example, in India, the term feticide is used to refer to the widely condemned practice of killing female fetuses in an effort to secure male offspring while not having too many children.
This isn't about abortion, this is about patients being abused while coming into the clinic (and yes, it *is* medical care). Spinks, if you don't believe me, you're welcome to come down any Tuesday morning and witness for yourself what is being shouted at these women, their partners, and the volunteer escorts.
I agree with Anon 11:45, that it is public space and there has to be rules. This doesn't set any kind of dangerous precedent for protesting, because most protesters don't call people murderers and scream at them that they are killing their child. If they did, well, that's illegal (it's called harassment) and yeah, it should be legislated.
This measure has been taken in Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto and it's working. Look it up. More importantly, it hasn't led to any "slippery slope" situations where protesters of other causes have been affected. The only reason it's being done in this case is that the women's safety is at stake. If you don't believe me that there is a safety concern, like I said, you're welcome to come down any Tuesday morning and see for yourself.
Oh, and ring ring:
"The more abortions,the more money made!"
Wrong! Our clinic is actually in the hole. No one works in this industry to make money, believe me - even if there was a lot of money to be made, it wouldn't be worth it because of the threat to your personal safety, and professional reputation.
If you knew anything about Dr. Morgentaler (I recommend "Morgentaler: A Difficult Hero" by Catherine Dunphy) you would know that he has strong socialist roots and definitely is NOT fighting for women's rights to get rich.
Sure,no one makes any money!
I have 9 grandchildren.That firstly makes me an old english speaking white useless man,(in your cataract eyes).
Why yes ,these mothers and fathers work quite hard because of their kids. I can see where,"Oh i guess I'll abort them",could have been a thought for some,BUT NOT for these people.
Has morky the great ever thought of aborting the mother and keeping the child for the enormous amount of loving people to enjoy?
Better come up with something pretty tout suite because morkys screwup is yet to be settled and public opinion is changing----er you may have noticed,because of abortion the pop. is getting older and don't take kindly to a er--a few things.
Anon 10:30
So the lives of so called "non-humyn" animals do not matter to you?
Do you have pets? Would you listen to them cry as you hurt/kill them to then eat them for dinner?
Start thinking
No man should have any say in what a woman does with her own body.
I have personally been on the sidewalk in front of the Abortuary or Death Camp as I like to call it. I have not personally witnessed any abusive language coming from the Picketers who support the Right to Life of the Unborn.We are told that we are not to go up the stairs or on the personal property of the Clinic. but we may stand and quietly hold signs. Life begins at Conception to Natural Death,or, death because of illness. No Human being has any right what so ever to end the life of the unborn. This society has become a Culture of Death, where there is no respect for life at all. Remember and don't ever forget, a society will be remembered for the way it treats it's most vulnerable Citizens.
And that Societ will be Juged by God accordingly.
What if ,as evidence suggests,there is no god,?
Would you be able to learn to think without help?
Would your views of right and wrong be skewed?
Well Mr. McKay, you may not have seen them do anything except quietly hold signs, but I have. I have been a volunteer escort at the clinic for three months and I see women get screamed at every week. Not to mention the names I have been called.
If women weren't being harassed, there wouldn't be any need for me and the other escorts to be there. If you want, I can tell you exactly who is doing the harassing (I don't know their names but I know them by sight). I can also tell you who has physically attacked a volunteer escort, and who has called the police with false accusations against one of the escorts (this idiot actually filled her pockets with snow and then accused one of the escorts of pushing her down).
So go ahead, keep saying that you're not doing anything wrong, but every week the protesters break the law and it's about time something was done to protect the women who are being abused.
Because its not a baby, its a fetus - an organ just like any other in the womyn's body - which would not survive without her living.
I don't know too many organs that have their own heartbeat and brain pattern and it looks a lot like a baby.
Even if you do think abortion is wrong, two wrongs don't make a right. The protesters don't change anyone's mind, they are just abusing women and that's not right.
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