What I would like to know once and for all is, Is the guy for real or what!!??
He really must think we the people of this province are as stupid as squid or something to that effect.
He says he will ask Mr. Volpe if he can find 20 Million Dollars for his bogus little treat to the peasants.
Well Mr. Lord must be pretty daft himself as he knows damn well that certainly would not be much of a task as this amount will be easily surpassed with the increased price of gas alone!
Never mind the 100 Million Dollars plus that will be made from exploiting OCD (obsessive Compulsive disorder) through the VLT scams and the like. And that is one thing I know he understands only too well (EXPLOITATION) as this seems to be how he runs this province.
Mr. Lord should start taking stock of his behavior and the many disgraces he will face when his job is done and his legacy as the WORST LIAR EVER!!and his anti-social behavier towards the very voters who have put him in office in the first place.
He is a cold hearted and arrogant ass that must be thrown out into the streets where that sort of trash belongs and thrives!! And he should take his better half Mr. Chisholm with him.
After reading garbage like that I’m sorry but I’m fit to be tied and would love to say much more than this. I know for a fact that when an election is called he will definitely get to know me much better than he does now because I will follow him and make myself very clear on how I and many others feel about his rantings and never ending lies!!!
Just like the truckers gas rage: as VLT’s, Hospital closures,and many many other things that the people of this province are pissed at him about the only thing that came out of Mr. Lord’s smart mouth was very predictable as it is the only line he knows which goes
// O K you’ve made your point now go back to whatever it is you were doing.
Tim Smith you are so right, as usual. Bernie Lord is a toast. A goner. History. Past. A sad one though. Chisholm Pothier start looking for a real job than to be a leech over a leech. You are sucking blood out of us the people of this province. Enough is enough.
This is a first for me and this blog!!! I'm going against my buddy Tim! I must disagree about Chisholm Pothier. I had some good straight forward debate with the guy. He always give me the time to express my views on different issues. Personally, I like the guy.
You are too naive, Charles. Any smooth talker is a good guy according to you. For while even Lord had you on his corner. However, may be Chisholm Pothier is a good guy but member of the same lousy Lord team.
Just a moment for some truth in advertising. If Pothier goes, someone else replaces him, and given some of the others who have done that job including McKenna's boy Steve who is now working with Paul Martin, Pothier is a breath of fresh air. This is the first tiem I've ever heard anyone complain about Pothier and that's unfortunate you had bad dealings with him Tim, but try again. Maybe he had a bad day. We all do you know. Charles is right, Pothier is pretty fair to deal with.
As for gas, I'm not clear what the beef with Lord is on this one. Lord does not control the world's oil. If only N.B. was faced with high gas prices, I'd be out on the street with you with a picket sign but it's not just us and it's naive to think Lord can dictate to the world the pricew of fuel. Look at PEI. They tried earlier this month and oil companies were about to refuse to send gas over. They're too small to dictate to oil and so are we. However we should keep the pressure on the Feds to work a solution.
Spinks, are you sure you live in NB? Lord cannot control gas prices. True. But he increased provincial gas tax on top of the high gas prices. To provide relief he can eliminate that tax as province will still be receiving its share of GST thanks to Brian Mulroney.
It is not surprising that you will support Pothier as you are self-declared Lord spokesperson. Although you also said, at one time, that you hate Bernard Lord or you have no use for the guy. Was that just a ploy?
"Although you also said, at one time, that you hate Bernard Lord or you have no use for the guy."
You're going to have to show me where I've written that my friend. You're making stuff up now. I didn't vote for him last election, think he's indecisive and could use better MLA's but you're off base on what you've written.
As for gas tax, I don't think Lord has raised the tax recently although he did do it a few years ago. I don't like it but I understand it because the province of NB puts the provincial portion of the tax money collected on gas back into roads. 100%. Check out the NB budget on-line and you can see the revenues and expenditures. That's the way it's supposed to be. I like to drive on paved roads as I'm sure you do. We pay for that through gas tax. Here's the problem. The feds sink less than 10% (actually I think it's around 5%) of the money they collect on gas tax back into roads. That's your money which is supposed to go to NB roads being used for sponsorship deals in Quebec or whatever the Martin flavour of the month is...disgraceful...and that's another reason I think the federal Liberals are crooks.
Spinks, apparently you have exceptionally short memory. You did say that you hate Bernard Lord. When you were first reminded you wanted to see actual wordings and someone did reproduce those wordings for you. Please take memory pills and they may do you some good.
As far as raising gas tax is concerned you again have exceptionally short memory. If Lord had not removed tolls we would not all be paying through our nose, higher gas taxes and double-triple fines and fees related to driving. It is a major highway disasters- a landslide. As far as you are concerned, sadly you do need memory pills.
Well, someone's memory is short and it's not mine. As you'll recall, I explained how in English we use quotes to quote someone else, not ourselves. Check it out if you really want to waste your time. Bottom line...I never wrote it pertaining to myself and you're on your red herring again.
You may be right on the tolls...maybe. As far as the fines go I'd like to see them doubled again. If you don't break the law, you won't get a ticket. Works for me. After the fines wre introduced last summer, the deaths on NB highways dropped to their lowest rates in years. People didn't want a big ticket so they slowed down and put on their seat-belts. What the heck is wrong with that? Maybe, you're one of those who feel it's your right to cruise down the highway at top speed without your seatbelt. Anyone who thinks that way should be heavily fined and taken off the roads. Drivers like that put everyone in danger. No my friend, tolls are one thing, but the increase in fines makes perfect sense. It's a tax on those who break the law. You don't have to pay those unless you want to.
Just like Bernard Lord you are in denial now. That you did not say this and did not mean that. A typical. Who knows where your figures for lower accidents are coming from and how they are related to double-triple fines. Was there a study done where such facts were presented or is it because of new four-lane highway? You must have facts before you make these generalizations otherwise just they are another blob on the page here of Spink style.
Are you saying double triple increase in fees resulted in fewer accidents as well. May be people cannot afford it and do not drive anymore. Same applies to skyrocketing insurance rates and gas prices. I suppose, you and Lord can brag now that there are fewer people on the road and therefore less accidents. Hurray!!! You have taken ludicrous & absurd to the new heights. Will not expect any different from the spokesperson of Lord government. You can have very successful baloney business, go for it.
Check with Public Safety. They keep those stats. It's a pretty obvious connection. Again, what do you have against people being fined for breaking the law?
The truth is you have no information. There is no connection between higher fines and accidents. You conveniently forgot increase in fees. Are fees reducing accidents too? When you make statements you should be able to support them with facts. That seems to be your problems all the time and consistently so.
Check Public Safety's stats from August 2004 when the fines increased to the end of the year for fatalaties. Most telling is the long weekend in August which is the deadliest every year in NB. The number of fatalaties over the long weekend in August 2004 right after fines increased - zero. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out people were slowing down and buckling up.
The other fees like inspections and registrations. Those are pretty blatant tax grabs and I don't agree with them. Too big an increase at one time. It should have been phased in over a long period. However I stand by the fines going up. If you break the law, you should pay particulalrly when your actions put people's lives in jeopardy including your own.
Nope 4-lane opened in October 2001. We're talking after August 2004. There could be another reason the fatalaties dropped so dramatically but it's a heck of a coincidence. The fines rose and nobody killed on the deadliest weekend of the year. Even the police said after that they found less speeders and more people buckled up. Works for me. The government's intent may have been simply to collect more cash but frankly I don't care. It's still saved lives whether inadvertedly or not.
If the number of violators has dropped as dramatically as you indicate then in the long run Lord Gov't is going to lose money. Is it not? Minister of Finance was going to make some money. Does not sound right. Is Lord Gov't really losing money? Then they should hurry and reduce fines just like any other competition for all other goods and services.
Huh? I'm having a tough time getting the point you're trying to make. Fines aren't supposed to be about making money. It's to, in this case, save lives. I'd be pleased if no fines were given out and could care less if gov't loses money on fines if people are obeying the law instead, but we both know that's not going to happen.
The point I am trying to make is very clear. According to you gov't raised fines because they need money for roads. Now by raising fines if the revenues actually went down then it failed to raise money to maintain existing roads or build new roads. So what is next? Lower fines to maintain revenues?
You're a bit off the mark and you'll have to go back and read my posts but to clarify, I said he raised the GAS TAX for roads a few years ago. Check the NB budget, more is spent on roads than comes in on gas tax so that makes sense.
You then brought fines up seperately as if they're a bad thing (different topic). I certainly haven't connected fines to revenues for roads. However to be clear, in this case I'm all for the bigger fines as only law-breakers get hit with them and enforcement has proven time and time again to reduce speeds and ultimately save lives. I'm not sure what the argument is. People live...moms, dads, kids, etc...that's a good thing at least in my book. I would imagine it is in yours as well. Argue with me if you wish but not just for the sake that you like to argue with Spinks.
Actually literature shows that more punitive a government more people become retaliatory and break these kinds of laws, such as speeding. If it was such a panacea then whole world will be raising such fines. Lord government just wanted to grab more revenues. You reduce accidents through better driver training and education. Your argument is horribly flawed. Lord government raised fines and offered the same lousy justification you are giving. It looks you took it from government propanda book. There has to be good study to show that it is actually true. You are giving just plausible explanations without any hard facts directly related to higher fines. As long as those hard facts are not available with direct co-relation to fines it is just total baloney. And you say you are not spokesperon for Lord Government. The poor factual support to your sweeping generalization runs right through all your arguments, I mean all.
I don't know what literature you're reading but talk to any Traffic cop and they'll tell you enforcement ALONG with education reduces traffic infractions. Maybe it wasn't the fines that lowered the infractions but it's an awful coincidence that the deaths lowered as did other infractions. Those are the facts. You can dispute them if you wish but Public Safety has the numbers. I'm surprised you're so closed minded with such a hate on for Lord that you refuse to even accept that as a possibility. Clearly we're not going to agree. I'm for anything which prevents people from getting killed whether government intentionally meant that as a result or not. You...well I'm not sure what your beef is. I guess you think fines shouldn't be too high for drunk drivers, speeders, and those not wearing seatbelts because Lord put it in. I wonder is Elizabeth Weir or Shawn Graham had been premier and done the same thing, if you would feel the same way. Think about it. It appears your blind hatred for Lord is clouding your interpretation of some things which just make sense.
Spinks, you are the one who hates Lord and you have stated so. Fines do not reduce accidents. Education, better driver training and better roads reduce accidents. Improved vehicles with better safety features reduce accidents. You have no facts and argument and you have gone into your usual tirade. Go acquire some real knowledge before you make all these ignorant statements.
Those are the facts. If you don't like them that's your business and you know I never said I hated Lord. That's been talked about to death. Get over it my friend.
Those are your words that you hate B.Lord. Now you can put any spin on it you want. It is a free country. Do yourself a favour and keep facts ready to backup your statments becuase you seem to have no facts but opinions about everything. It is sad that you do not understand that.
Again, when people use quotes it is to quote others comments or other ideas. Basic English Grammer classes are available at your local University or NBCC. Believe whatever you want, it still doesn't make it true.
Yes, I am in the minority of people visiting this site. That is true. Kind of surprising when most of you folks seem to think you stick up for minorities. I guess that doesn't count for those with opinions different from yours. Kind of hypocritical, no?
Minority is an exaggeration. You are all alone on this site. More of an oddity than minority. Hitler will be a minority by your definition. Do you suggest we should support him and his views?
Wow, talk about coming out of left field. Trying to connect me to Hitler and I'm delusional?!? Maybe I am alone on this site, maybe not. If so, it's a good thing I'm here or you'd never hear an opposing view. Who would you argue with then?
I don't hate anybody. I merely have no problem raising questions that liberal-minded people are scared to touch because it frightens them. If your touchy and sensitive, move along.
I'm still curious why you have a problem with big fines for speeders and drunk drivers. Both have the potential to kill people. I was waiting for some solid argumnents. I'm sorry you decided to shift the conversation to Spinks-bashing instead, but whatever tickles your fancy.
No, the answer was full of spin against Lord. Maybe Lord did raise fines simply to raise money. I'm more than willing to accept that as a possibility. But as I've written before who cares what the motivation is. Fewer people died after the fines went up. The end justifies the means.
Hey, if you have no problem with drunk drivers and speeders who have the potential to kill people getting little fines, just come out and say it. At least I'd know where you stood. All I'm getting is that you don't like it because Lord is in power and you don't like Lord. If that's the only reason for not liking something, it's pretty weak.
I never said stop, I said reduce. Enforcement in tandem with education reduces fatalaties on the roads. Any cop will tell you that and of course it just makes common sense.
Common sense which you lack, Spinks. Higher fines alone do not make people to stop drinking or reduce drinking. It is too,too simplisitc a generalization on your part, as usual though.
You're right as I just stated, enforcement in tandem with education reduces fatalaties on the roads. Glad to see we agree. I was getting concerned you wanted to let drunk drivers off easy. There's hope for humanity yet.
Feel free to point out any unsubstantiated statments. The only one you've mentioned is the belief you have that fatalaties didn't drop from August 2004 - December 2004 over the year before particulalrly the August long weekend which is always the deadliest. If you choose not to believe it, that's your business, but the motor vehicle department figures from Public Safety are clear.
I wouldn't call statistics collected by the fine police officers of this province gossip. Feel free to check them out at Public Safety. You can get figures from crashes from the Department of Public Safety just like any other citizen. The fines went up in August 2004 by the way not 2001.
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Was Bernard Lord not the one who was going to change the world and make NB the shining star of Canada. What went wrong, folks????
What I would like to know once and for all is, Is the guy for real or what!!??
He really must think we the people of this province are as stupid as squid or something to that effect.
He says he will ask Mr. Volpe if he can find 20 Million Dollars for his bogus little treat to the peasants.
Well Mr. Lord must be pretty daft himself as he knows damn well that certainly would not be much of a task as this amount will be easily surpassed with the increased price of gas alone!
Never mind the 100 Million Dollars plus that will be made from exploiting OCD (obsessive Compulsive disorder) through the VLT scams and the like. And that is one thing I know he understands only too well (EXPLOITATION) as this seems to be how he runs this province.
Mr. Lord should start taking stock of his behavior and the many disgraces he will face when his job is done and his legacy as the WORST LIAR EVER!!and his anti-social behavier towards the very voters who have put him in office in the first place.
He is a cold hearted and arrogant ass that must be thrown out into the streets where that sort of trash belongs and thrives!! And he should take his better half Mr. Chisholm with him.
After reading garbage like that I’m sorry but I’m fit to be tied and would love to say much more than this.
I know for a fact that when an election is called he will definitely get to know me much better than he does now because I will follow him and make myself very clear on how I and many others feel about his rantings and never ending lies!!!
Just like the truckers gas rage: as VLT’s, Hospital closures,and many many other things that the people of this province are pissed at him about
the only thing that came out of Mr. Lord’s smart mouth was very predictable as it is the only line he knows which goes
// O K you’ve made your point now go back to whatever it is you were doing.
Tim Smith you are so right, as usual. Bernie Lord is a toast. A goner. History. Past. A sad one though. Chisholm Pothier start looking for a real job than to be a leech over a leech. You are sucking blood out of us the people of this province. Enough is enough.
This is a first for me and this blog!!! I'm going against my buddy Tim! I must disagree about Chisholm Pothier. I had some good straight forward debate with the guy. He always give me the time to express my views on different issues. Personally, I like the guy.
You are too naive, Charles. Any smooth talker is a good guy according to you. For while even Lord had you on his corner. However, may be Chisholm Pothier is a good guy but member of the same lousy Lord team.
Just a moment for some truth in advertising. If Pothier goes, someone else replaces him, and given some of the others who have done that job including McKenna's boy Steve who is now working with Paul Martin, Pothier is a breath of fresh air. This is the first tiem I've ever heard anyone complain about Pothier and that's unfortunate you had bad dealings with him Tim, but try again. Maybe he had a bad day. We all do you know. Charles is right, Pothier is pretty fair to deal with.
As for gas, I'm not clear what the beef with Lord is on this one. Lord does not control the world's oil. If only N.B. was faced with high gas prices, I'd be out on the street with you with a picket sign but it's not just us and it's naive to think Lord can dictate to the world the pricew of fuel. Look at PEI. They tried earlier this month and oil companies were about to refuse to send gas over. They're too small to dictate to oil and so are we. However we should keep the pressure on the Feds to work a solution.
Spinks, are you sure you live in NB? Lord cannot control gas prices. True. But he increased provincial gas tax on top of the high gas prices. To provide relief he can eliminate that tax as province will still be receiving its share of GST thanks to Brian Mulroney.
It is not surprising that you will support Pothier as you are self-declared Lord spokesperson. Although you also said, at one time, that you hate Bernard Lord or you have no use for the guy. Was that just a ploy?
"Although you also said, at one time, that you hate Bernard Lord or you have no use for the guy."
You're going to have to show me where I've written that my friend. You're making stuff up now. I didn't vote for him last election, think he's indecisive and could use better MLA's but you're off base on what you've written.
As for gas tax, I don't think Lord has raised the tax recently although he did do it a few years ago. I don't like it but I understand it because the province of NB puts the provincial portion of the tax money collected on gas back into roads. 100%. Check out the NB budget on-line and you can see the revenues and expenditures. That's the way it's supposed to be. I like to drive on paved roads as I'm sure you do. We pay for that through gas tax. Here's the problem. The feds sink less than 10% (actually I think it's around 5%) of the money they collect on gas tax back into roads. That's your money which is supposed to go to NB roads being used for sponsorship deals in Quebec or whatever the Martin flavour of the month is...disgraceful...and that's another reason I think the federal Liberals are crooks.
Spinks, apparently you have exceptionally short memory. You did say that you hate Bernard Lord. When you were first reminded you wanted to see actual wordings and someone did reproduce those wordings for you. Please take memory pills and they may do you some good.
As far as raising gas tax is concerned you again have exceptionally short memory. If Lord had not removed tolls we would not all be paying through our nose, higher gas taxes and double-triple fines and fees related to driving. It is a major highway disasters- a landslide. As far as you are concerned, sadly you do need memory pills.
Well, someone's memory is short and it's not mine. As you'll recall, I explained how in English we use quotes to quote someone else, not ourselves. Check it out if you really want to waste your time. Bottom line...I never wrote it pertaining to myself and you're on your red herring again.
You may be right on the tolls...maybe. As far as the fines go I'd like to see them doubled again. If you don't break the law, you won't get a ticket. Works for me. After the fines wre introduced last summer, the deaths on NB highways dropped to their lowest rates in years. People didn't want a big ticket so they slowed down and put on their seat-belts. What the heck is wrong with that? Maybe, you're one of those who feel it's your right to cruise down the highway at top speed without your seatbelt. Anyone who thinks that way should be heavily fined and taken off the roads. Drivers like that put everyone in danger. No my friend, tolls are one thing, but the increase in fines makes perfect sense. It's a tax on those who break the law. You don't have to pay those unless you want to.
Just like Bernard Lord you are in denial now. That you did not say this and did not mean that. A typical. Who knows where your figures for lower accidents are coming from and how they are related to double-triple fines. Was there a study done where such facts were presented or is it because of new four-lane highway? You must have facts before you make these generalizations otherwise just they are another blob on the page here of Spink style.
Are you saying double triple increase in fees resulted in fewer accidents as well. May be people cannot afford it and do not drive anymore. Same applies to skyrocketing insurance rates and gas prices. I suppose, you and Lord can brag now that there are fewer people on the road and therefore less accidents. Hurray!!! You have taken ludicrous & absurd to the new heights. Will not expect any different from the spokesperson of Lord government. You can have very successful baloney business, go for it.
Check with Public Safety. They keep those stats. It's a pretty obvious connection. Again, what do you have against people being fined for breaking the law?
The truth is you have no information. There is no connection between higher fines and accidents. You conveniently forgot increase in fees. Are fees reducing accidents too? When you make statements you should be able to support them with facts. That seems to be your problems all the time and consistently so.
Check Public Safety's stats from August 2004 when the fines increased to the end of the year for fatalaties. Most telling is the long weekend in August which is the deadliest every year in NB. The number of fatalaties over the long weekend in August 2004 right after fines increased - zero. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out people were slowing down and buckling up.
The other fees like inspections and registrations. Those are pretty blatant tax grabs and I don't agree with them. Too big an increase at one time. It should have been phased in over a long period. However I stand by the fines going up. If you break the law, you should pay particulalrly when your actions put people's lives in jeopardy including your own.
Was not the 4 lane opened around same time. I am not sure what brought accidents down. Also has number people fined gone down.
Good to hear that you agree on fees. Tax grab because we are broke after removing tolls and that is why increase in gas tax too. It is a disaster.
Nope 4-lane opened in October 2001. We're talking after August 2004. There could be another reason the fatalaties dropped so dramatically but it's a heck of a coincidence. The fines rose and nobody killed on the deadliest weekend of the year. Even the police said after that they found less speeders and more people buckled up. Works for me. The government's intent may have been simply to collect more cash but frankly I don't care. It's still saved lives whether inadvertedly or not.
If the number of violators has dropped as dramatically as you indicate then in the long run Lord Gov't is going to lose money. Is it not? Minister of Finance was going to make some money. Does not sound right. Is Lord Gov't really losing money? Then they should hurry and reduce fines just like any other competition for all other goods and services.
Huh? I'm having a tough time getting the point you're trying to make. Fines aren't supposed to be about making money. It's to, in this case, save lives. I'd be pleased if no fines were given out and could care less if gov't loses money on fines if people are obeying the law instead, but we both know that's not going to happen.
The point I am trying to make is very clear. According to you gov't raised fines because they need money for roads. Now by raising fines if the revenues actually went down then it failed to raise money to maintain existing roads or build new roads. So what is next? Lower fines to maintain revenues?
You're a bit off the mark and you'll have to go back and read my posts but to clarify, I said he raised the GAS TAX for roads a few years ago. Check the NB budget, more is spent on roads than comes in on gas tax so that makes sense.
You then brought fines up seperately as if they're a bad thing (different topic). I certainly haven't connected fines to revenues for roads. However to be clear, in this case I'm all for the bigger fines as only law-breakers get hit with them and enforcement has proven time and time again to reduce speeds and ultimately save lives. I'm not sure what the argument is. People live...moms, dads, kids, etc...that's a good thing at least in my book. I would imagine it is in yours as well. Argue with me if you wish but not just for the sake that you like to argue with Spinks.
Actually literature shows that more punitive a government more people become retaliatory and break these kinds of laws, such as speeding. If it was such a panacea then whole world will be raising such fines. Lord government just wanted to grab more revenues. You reduce accidents through better driver training and education. Your argument is horribly flawed. Lord government raised fines and offered the same lousy justification you are giving. It looks you took it from government propanda book. There has to be good study to show that it is actually true. You are giving just plausible explanations without any hard facts directly related to higher fines. As long as those hard facts are not available with direct co-relation to fines it is just total baloney. And you say you are not spokesperon for Lord Government. The poor factual support to your sweeping generalization runs right through all your arguments, I mean all.
I don't know what literature you're reading but talk to any Traffic cop and they'll tell you enforcement ALONG with education reduces traffic infractions. Maybe it wasn't the fines that lowered the infractions but it's an awful coincidence that the deaths lowered as did other infractions. Those are the facts. You can dispute them if you wish but Public Safety has the numbers. I'm surprised you're so closed minded with such a hate on for Lord that you refuse to even accept that as a possibility. Clearly we're not going to agree. I'm for anything which prevents people from getting killed whether government intentionally meant that as a result or not. You...well I'm not sure what your beef is. I guess you think fines shouldn't be too high for drunk drivers, speeders, and those not wearing seatbelts because Lord put it in. I wonder is Elizabeth Weir or Shawn Graham had been premier and done the same thing, if you would feel the same way. Think about it. It appears your blind hatred for Lord is clouding your interpretation of some things which just make sense.
Spinks, you are the one who hates Lord and you have stated so. Fines do not reduce accidents. Education, better driver training and better roads reduce accidents. Improved vehicles with better safety features reduce accidents. You have no facts and argument and you have gone into your usual tirade. Go acquire some real knowledge before you make all these ignorant statements.
Those are the facts. If you don't like them that's your business and you know I never said I hated Lord. That's been talked about to death. Get over it my friend.
Those are your words that you hate B.Lord. Now you can put any spin on it you want. It is a free country. Do yourself a favour and keep facts ready to backup your statments becuase you seem to have no facts but opinions about everything. It is sad that you do not understand that.
Again, when people use quotes it is to quote others comments or other ideas. Basic English Grammer classes are available at your local University or NBCC. Believe whatever you want, it still doesn't make it true.
"Truth" is what you say or believe in. Right? Then there is the real truth accepted by vast majority. It is possible it will dawn on you someday.
Yes, I am in the minority of people visiting this site. That is true. Kind of surprising when most of you folks seem to think you stick up for minorities. I guess that doesn't count for those with opinions different from yours. Kind of hypocritical, no?
Minority is an exaggeration. You are all alone on this site. More of an oddity than minority. Hitler will be a minority by your definition. Do you suggest we should support him and his views?
Wow, talk about coming out of left field. Trying to connect me to Hitler and I'm delusional?!?
Maybe I am alone on this site, maybe not. If so, it's a good thing I'm here or you'd never hear an opposing view. Who would you argue with then?
I don't hate anybody. I merely have no problem raising questions that liberal-minded people are scared to touch because it frightens them. If your touchy and sensitive, move along.
I'm still curious why you have a problem with big fines for speeders and drunk drivers. Both have the potential to kill people. I was waiting for some solid argumnents. I'm sorry you decided to shift the conversation to Spinks-bashing instead, but whatever tickles your fancy.
What is your problem, Spinks. You were given very clear answer. If you do not like it then too bad. Keep on living with your misconceptions.
No, the answer was full of spin against Lord. Maybe Lord did raise fines simply to raise money. I'm more than willing to accept that as a possibility. But as I've written before who cares what the motivation is. Fewer people died after the fines went up. The end justifies the means.
"The end justifies the means". The real end or your fictional one.
Hey, if you have no problem with drunk drivers and speeders who have the potential to kill people getting little fines, just come out and say it. At least I'd know where you stood. All I'm getting is that you don't like it because Lord is in power and you don't like Lord. If that's the only reason for not liking something, it's pretty weak.
Spinks, you need your brain examined. You think higher fines will stop people from drinking. What a cop out?
I never said stop, I said reduce. Enforcement in tandem with education reduces fatalaties on the roads. Any cop will tell you that and of course it just makes common sense.
Common sense which you lack, Spinks. Higher fines alone do not make people to stop drinking or reduce drinking. It is too,too simplisitc a generalization on your part, as usual though.
You're right as I just stated, enforcement in tandem with education reduces fatalaties on the roads. Glad to see we agree. I was getting concerned you wanted to let drunk drivers off easy. There's hope for humanity yet.
I hope you are not that hope for humanity. In that case we are in deep trouble.
OK I have given you enough hard time. Do me a favour. Do not make unsubtantiated statements. That way you will get less adverse reaction.
Feel free to point out any unsubstantiated statments. The only one you've mentioned is the belief you have that fatalaties didn't drop from August 2004 - December 2004 over the year before particulalrly the August long weekend which is always the deadliest. If you choose not to believe it, that's your business, but the motor vehicle department figures from Public Safety are clear.
Unfortunately none of your statements are substantiated. Just clichés and baseless generalizations. Do you have figures for accidents from 2001 to this day? Figures for comparison purposes. All you are saying is that motor vehicle said that and police said that. All hearsay and no facts. If there was reduction in accidents how they are related to fines. Have you heard of empirical studies? All you have offered is gossip.And then more gossip.
I wouldn't call statistics collected by the fine police officers of this province gossip. Feel free to check them out at Public Safety. You can get figures from crashes from the Department of Public Safety just like any other citizen. The fines went up in August 2004 by the way not 2001.
2001 for comparison purpose. Follow your own advice and read the post carefully. If you have figures post them. When you make a claim substantiate it.
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