Wednesday, October 19, 2005

ARE THESE PEOPLE VANDALS?????

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41 comments:

Anonymous said...

Probably.

Spinks said...

I wouldn't want to blame a specific group but clearly when three councillors are all victims of vandals in a short period of time, there's a connection. Probably one rogue who may not even be directly connected with the group. Although I would have like to have seen their spokesperson on the news last night come out a little more forcefully saying the vandalism was unacceptable. He danced around the issue a bit.

Anonymous said...

It is not right at anytime to vandalize anyones home or vehicles. But first of all slander is not right either, many people have never recovered from acquisations that are false- People always tend to dwell on the negative and believe it even if it is not true. Who knows who did this but my only hope is they find the person or persons who did this. Councillors have rights but with no suspects yet why do they blame people who have been fighting for Fair Taxation for all people? Premier Lord has never once tried to understand the side of the people of Saint John. Why give a tax concession for twenty five years to billionaires while the rest of us struggle. Yes most people in the group are seniors because at this point in our lives we have heard the bull for too long. Saint John is our city too and no one person should be given so much when they have been profitting for so many years and they do control the decisions the politicians make. This incident only goes against everything they stand for; they have been working very hard towards - Fairness -. Many people complain and never come forward and never speak up for their rights. This is not an easy thing to do and is stressful. Hopefully nothing like this happens again. It is wrong but don't blame, unless you know. I personally agree for fairness to all people of Saint John not just the wealthy.

Anonymous said...

I belong to the group and believe in bringing attention to fair taxation for all people. But this incident sickens me and I hope soon someone who did this is caught! It is not right to point the fingers towards us. But I do ask myself who benefits from this negative act of vandalism, not us, it puts us in a negative light and would make certainly shut us up or make us look very bad. I am angry that we can't acquise people of wrong doing without proof but Mr. Chase and Mr. Chang have just done that, which leads people to believing it must be true. Ms. Hooten kind of talked around in circles but it came across the same way. Not good! Still I believe in fairness and pray the person or persons are found soon.

Anonymous said...

I am shocked by Spinks' comments. He is always preaching against conspiracy theory and here he has completely changed his tune and thinks those who are against tax breaks must have done it. I think all these people in tax break issue are respectable people.

These may be someone who may think this will start a good fight. Or it might be someone who wants to discredit anti-tax break group.

Or it is someone who just did it for kicks.

Anonymous said...

Heard that Hooten has been giving the Bike gang in the Southend warning about the noise they make. Just something I heard that that she was talking about. Who knows! Slander is not right, Mr. Chang would be the first to throw that out there.

Anonymous said...

I for one don't believe it was this group. They stand up and say what they believe. They aren't cowards which to me is what these vandals are. 8:25, does the group have a website?

Spinks said...

You shouldn't be shocked 8:38 because I didn't blame anyone. Clearly there's a connection and to not see that is to stick your head in the sand. I would doubt any group would support such action but I was merely surprised the group's spokesperson wasn't more forcefully against it. The body language and tone seemed to say "hey I disagree with this but the councillors should expect this for making this type of decision" PR 101 says you come out unequivocally and say "unacceptable behavior and it's not condoned". That's not what came across on TV but maybe that ended up on the cutting room for. Always possible as well. Again IF it was someone in the group they obviously acted alone or at least I hope so.

Anonymous said...

Cowards!

It was one of these people, you all know it.! I wouldn't be suprised if who ever it was is on this shitty mailing list.

Charles is always complaining about the "lord Government being racist", give me a break. It looks to me like the only racist people are the loosers that you hang out with. The comments that were spray painted on the councillors' van are low. Who ever did it should be drug out into the street for a public beating.

I was there that night and I heard you all outside making comments as people went in, why don't you fight for something worth while? Or are you all too busy out hoping that the government will pick you up off your asses?

Maybe, just maybe if you get your precious socialist government you'll finnally be able to get the hard earn tax dollars from honest, hard working New Brunswicker's while you sit around your public housing complaining whether or not you can use your crappy bathroom or have a pet rat.

Try getting a job, I think you'll find it pays better than complaining.

I always find it funny that the people who want the government to pay for more, are looking for more handouts are the people who pay the least taxes, odd huh?

Anonymous said...

I believe that the Conservatives hung the protesters before a trial. I also beleive its all part of their statagy. They want the people to believe that the protesters done it (for their benefit and for their friends THE IRVINGS) and thats what they are trying to do. Its slander towards the protester. They want to put the proof out there before they open their big mouths because quite frankly, they are losing ground!

Anonymous said...

Spinks, here is your hypcrisy. When it comes to Lord Governmnent, you go on defensive in no time. However all other cases you jump to conclusions. In this case of vandalism you quickly said it could be anti-tax people.

I hope you get paid well by Lord government for your job

Spinks said...

Sorry 12:47, your analysis is dead wrong and I'm not convinced you didn't just glance over my comments instead of reading them. I was quite clear that it could have been a rogue and maybe not even someone connected with the group. But obviously it is someone or some people with a beef against Saint John City Council. The police know that and certainly you know that as well. One councillor targeted, it could have been random. Two? Maybe conicidence. Three? Sorry but there's a pattern. Like I said, if I were against LNG (I am against the tax deal by the way. The project itself I'm indifferent) I would be distancing myself as far away as possible from the vandals and the spokesperson last night didn't reassure me that he was all that upset about the vandalism although I doubt the "group" had anything to do with it. That would be just dumb. Maybe he just needs a media spokesperson course to learn a few techniques. I don't know.

Anonymous said...

1:14 PM
"Gang" of thugs and "RACISTS".

You must be talking about Lord government. They are bunch thugs. Lord is the biggest liar we ever had as a premier.

Anonymous said...

Obviously you don't ever talk to people in the CUPE union?? Remember the shirt they had?? In Mackenna NO TRUST? Does that phase your memory now. N.B. knows what the libereals have done to us and what they willdo if they get into power. That is why they will never get in power as long as Shawn Graham is the leader of the party. What a joke can we go get him some flipflops and a shank repellant vest? Cause this sitting of the legislature he will need them.

Anonymous said...

Buddy, it has nothing to do with Liberals and conservatives. Just Bernard Lord sucks. Stop living in the past. Lying Lord got to go.

Blogger Charles LeBlanc said...

Just for the record? I never call the Lord Government racists!

Anonymous said...

Heard tonight but don't know if it is true. Since no one waits to verify things why should I. I heard the paint was washable paint and caused no damage. But who knows I won't be going near any ones vehicle to see.

Anonymous said...

Wow 12:40 wake up and smell the coffee or whatever you are on. You really don't know what is going on and this group has not been out of line. We work too and some work two jobs, some are retired. Yes we no longer want to put up with what is going on but you should just go to one of these so call racist gatherings because you will only see people trying to improve things and come up with ways to help all people even a confused soul like you. We aren't all brain washed like you. If you had a say we would all be set on fire in King Square. Happy to be part of the group, we don't all agree and have differences and we don't want any part of vandalism. This is a tactic to make us look bad and what can be gained. This is not going to keep us from having a voice. We have many citizens who support fair taxation. If you don't agree pay my property tax and water and sewerage bill. We are not getting our taxes frozen for 25 years. Seniors, couples with young families, working poor, middle class and many other situations out there. Get out of your comfort zone and try to understand. I feel you never will.

Anonymous said...

You can ask the Police Chief or any police officer and you will also hear from them that we have not been causing problems; I prefer having them around to keep people from making up stories. They are struggling too and many people in City Hall understand and don't like what is going on with the Mayor and Council but can't be vocal. It is very sad to think we live in such a beautiful city and we are controlled and censored by the wealthest family and the Lord government who has stated many times the people can afford to pay more.

Anonymous said...

Everyone has there beliefs and opinions right or wrong. Lord was given a chance twice. Time to move on and deflate his ego and vote for Dr. Dohery and then Shawn Graham should be given a chance. The news always hammers at Shawn and no one really knows what he could do. The local billionaire is conservative and will only give positive spins to Lord. No coverage or very little coverage for Dr. Doherty.

Anonymous said...

Good point on another page on the site. Have a camera and make sure no one is alone because this could be a bigger problem. Maybe I watch too much TV. Be safe and wise in all we do. Slander is slander and now many more people like to believe the worst. The good things never made the paper.

Spinks said...

Maybe I'm missing something but what's with the racist talk? It can't be the Tory nomination meeting where someone said a Chinese guy and a black guy met them at the door. That just doesn't make sense. The anti-LNG group? That doesn't make sense either unless I'm missing something. How about some clarity or at least some accuracy? The word racist and bigot gets tossed around so often here, neither has any meaning anymore.

Anonymous said...

I was at Dr. Doherty nomination meeting it was open to any one. Carl White, Glen Tait, Peter McGuire, Ivan Court and if I missed seeing other councillors sorry. There was other of different races. I shuld not go there because it lowers us to your simple mind again. Against a 25 year tax deal is what we are against, no to slander and vandalism; let the police accuse.

Anonymous said...

11:18

You're a looser, go back to your cave.

Anonymous said...

Yes 11:19 they must have not allowed Lord out of the cave. Now he wants to take us to the stone age of serfs and masters.

Spinks said...

OK, the last few commments are even more confusing. Can anyone who made these "racist" and "bigot" comments explain?

Spinks said...

Like I've said the most misused words on this site and in most liberal cricles. It's so misused the meaning is lost. I've looked up the meaning and as much as you would like to paint me with that brush I'm neither racist nor bigoted. Government? I don't see any hard evidence of that either but you'd have to ask them.

Anonymous said...

Bruce Court heads up a fascist organization

Spinks said...

You are mistaken. I never said either of those things. You will have to go way back in the blog to find it but I was very clear on both those issues. My issues were never the colour of anyone's skin. One was on abilities, the other was on loyalty to Canada. I'd raise the same questions if both were caucasian males. This is the problem in today's society. No one should dare raise a question about someone if they're a viz. min. but those same questions are not a prpblem against a white person. That's hypocritical at best and reverse discrimination at worse.

Anonymous said...

I think the person who keeps calling people things they are not is a complete waste of energy. we may not always agree to comments but that is fine. we all can learn from diferent ways of thinking but there is no thinking behind name calling.
If you want to vote for Lord go ahead you will never convince another person in Saint John. Yes some will vote for Hooten. But I think bring Hurricane Doherty in and give him a chance. Give Hooten a BOOTEN! I think name calling right now is a complete waste of time. Just VOTE!

Blogger Charles LeBlanc said...

Bruce Court heads up a fascist organization

I believe that comment was uncall for. They're a determine group who will fight till the end of times.....

Spinks said...

Sorry 5:49, your comments just don't hold up. I'm not 100% clear of the etnicity of the anti-LNG protestors but most of those I have seen appear to be white. Nice try on your part but still in error.

Spinks said...

I don't know what your point is either 9:52, so I guess we're even.

Anonymous said...

that is your problem spinks. you do not understand your own follies spinks. you do make good buddy of lord.

Anonymous said...

On reflecting what happen with the vandalism, I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN PLANNED by someone who wanted to make people think that these people plan an attack on Councillors just to shut them up. We probably will here anymore about this, except for slander against the people who believe in Fair Taxation. This has been stated by many people. They also said that for some reason the paint could of been water paint. Who knows but it would make sense because eggs and paint that is easily clean can serve the purpose they may of had in mine. I doubt if we will ever have an arrest if that is the case. Slander when against a minority would of cause a legal case in court. There is something wrong when stories are made up. Still we have to remain positive to hope the people understand that the newspaper is very bias and cowardly accuses without the facts.
Give Lord and Hooten the Booten!

Anonymous said...

Slander to a person who has only brought forward what the people are fed up with is not a facist or racist or whatever name people who stay behind and slander and make up things that are not true, Bruce Court has not done anything wrong but step out and care for the people. Yes he has not always been comfortable and does get worked up when speaking but so what he speaks from the heart. Disappointed that everyone who wants to point fingers when there is no proof and accuse people who have only tried to bring fair taxation forward. Maybe but we don't know that someone wanted these concerned citizens to look bad. Vandalism serves no purpose and is unexceptable. Politics could be the reason and we won't probably ever have anyone charged if that was true. No proof but I do hope the person or person are caught soon. Give Hooten and Lord the Booten and Vote for anyone else.

Anonymous said...

That picture doesnot represnt all the people, it was a picture that was taken at the barbeque and who cares; this is about fair taxation not about color. Too bad you can't get off this vision. anyone has the right to speak red ,white, yellow or blue. Nothing like that matters because the important thing is people are struggling and can't make ends meet are really concerned. It all began when Lord, Mayor and some Councillors along with Fowlie, Holder, Blaney and others I'm sure along with the Billionaires decided to freezes taxes for 25 years in an area that needs municipal dollars and they knew how bad it is and still turned on all os Saint John. Someday you may understand. Referring to- 1:14 -This is not right we have nothing against anyone just want to remind the people what happen. We don't believe in violence or vandalism.

Anonymous said...

The group’s fascism with abound if you keep calling them liberators. They are oppressors of the people of Saint John, trying to keep the highly profitable energy sector out. The LNG project will give Saint John a hand up in its journey out of the industrial past.

Anonymous said...

Dream on the Oil Refinery was the same story ; look at what there is for the people higher gas prices for Saint John and high taxes for businesse who want to compete. Yes we all like jobs and work we just wanted a little change in our pockets too. But you don't have to worry you must have money like the billionaires; nice for you. we want to help all people unlike you.

Anonymous said...

We see through your personal agenda about racism. We had several barbeques and several people who you call black were there and the one young girl who happen to be black won the bike; it was joy to see her face. The color does not matter. You'll never believe anything so why bother. I guess there is hope.
Give Hooten the Booten, vote.

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