Does it matter? The other parties have shown themselves to be liars, what good are promises? But it's not the green partys fault that media won't talk about them, they have the highest increase in numbers of voters each election so the media wants them off the radar. You can go to www.greenparty.ca to see their policies though.
Amen to that, probably the same reason relatively few vote NDP. In Fredericton there are really only two candidates who are fairly close to each other. Neither party seems interested at all in the maritimes, which almost makes you think that it would be far better to launch a "Don't Vote" campaign. Maybe the maritimes would be better served if we have an election where only 10% of voters turn out. It would at least get attention.
What a nice surprise to see a "vote green" picture on this site. I have long been linked here.
As for the wasted vote bit, geez, people. If you vote for the greens they (we) get $1.75 per vote. If you vote Liberal then they get your $1.75 -- and they don't really need it as they gots plenty of money. Even the Bloc got $3 million last election.
So, by voting green you help them get some money so they can get the green message out to more people. Then more people can make an informed decision.
True, and the tree hugger part isn't even REMOTELY true anymore. In fact the party supports many things that most environmentalists decry simply because they know the canadian public supports them. That's at least democratic.
Look at the reasons people give for voting liberal and conservative, usually its just a hatred of the other party. Talk about rocks in the head. The tories are backed by oil and american money, the liberals are awash in canadian corporate money and OUR money, so to combine the two above posts, you'd have to have rocks in your head to give your two bucks to one of THOSE parties.
However, at least the NDP is a little more realistic. In fact, if you look at the balance of power in Ottawa, the NDP used their little bit of clout to actually get something out of the budget-the corporate tax cuts (for awhile anyway). If maritimers were smart they'd send in a whole slew of NDP'ers. Voting tory or liberal makes NO difference, that's all decided in southern ontario, however, every NDP seat makes a difference so the maritimes could actually GET something for once, instead of getting screwed over time and time again. The NDP could maybe even wrangle an automaker to New brunswick instead of Paul Martin paying them all to go to southern ontario.
The NDP are only realistic if you pay no taxes or have no problem with a sizeable chunk of what you earn being taken by the Government. If they would get out of the tax and spend mentality, the NDP might pick up a few more votes. They have some good ideas but taxing us to death isn't one of them.
If you reread what i said you'll notice that even if you disagree with them its a strategic way to get something for the maritimes. It works pretty well for Quebec, strategic voting is about the only way to make a difference. A vote for a liberal or conservative LITERALLY makes no difference in the maritimes, especially in New Brunswick.
However, in case you haven't noticed, there's never been an NDP government federally and we STILL pay high taxes. The conservative 'plan' of course is just crazy, they plan on lowering income taxes even faster than the liberals have, and yet will still increase services.
The NDP says that they will increase corporate taxes and business taxes. The liberals have lowered federal taxes, but municipal taxes have skyrocketed in most cases and gas taxes were raised by almost fifty percent.
So the NDP are certainly no worse than the liberals, and a good many canadians still want a public healthcare system. That's the REAL choice.
I actually herad an interesting story on (ugh, let me say it) CBC yesterday about strategic voting and that essentiatlly it's a pipe dream but the Liberals particularly this election like to talk about it because they believe it's keeping them in power. Maybe, maybe not. Yep, taxes are high and without a doubt an NDP government would send them even higher or at the very least offer no relief. I haven't heard them talk about tax relief yet because they don't care about it. Personally I have to believe in the party and/or the local candidate at least on most things. Tax and spend isn't one of them and it isn't for most Canadians. Thank goodness in this humble taxpayer's opinion.
I guess we can't expect new brunswickers to strategically vote if they don't even understand the concept. Whether New Brunswickers vote liberal or conservative is completely irrelevant. Greater Toronto has far more seats than ALL of New Brunswick.
So strategic voting doesn't apply to the maritimes, UNLESS, like I said, they voted NDP. As we've said, what has Andy Scott done for Fredericton? Nothing. He helped defeat a motion that would have brought more federal money to poor New Brunswickers.
As far as 'tax and spend', that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. The vast majority of tax cuts went to the top 10% wealthiest canadians. Between gas taxes, property taxes, user fees and power increases the majority of canadians have a lower standard of living than they did in the eighties. And of course the conservatives were infamous for their tax increases and NEW taxes.
If you think conservatives are different you aren't paying attention, Harper has been matching Martin in cash gifts. He's also going to increase military spending significantly. So 'tax and spend' really is the order of the day.
Keep in mind that New Brunswickers are much poorer than most canadians and actually in most polls Canadians favour INCREASED taxes, providing they go to increased services.
So you can talk and pretend that 'most canadians' agree with your point of view, but your opinion is just your opinion. Canadians who vote are pretty spread out even among the parties they support, so trying to pin down specific issues really is a gamble.
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Others are making lot of promises what are his promises.
Does it matter? The other parties have shown themselves to be liars, what good are promises? But it's not the green partys fault that media won't talk about them, they have the highest increase in numbers of voters each election so the media wants them off the radar. You can go to www.greenparty.ca to see their policies though.
You are right. People are disillusioned with main parties. However Green has never elected any candidate. People may consider it waste of vote.
Amen to that, probably the same reason relatively few vote NDP. In Fredericton there are really only two candidates who are fairly close to each other. Neither party seems interested at all in the maritimes, which almost makes you think that it would be far better to launch a "Don't Vote" campaign. Maybe the maritimes would be better served if we have an election where only 10% of voters turn out. It would at least get attention.
Anybody who would even think of Voting for the Green Party would have to have Rock's in their head.
Nothing but a bunch of Tree Huggers.
What a nice surprise to see a "vote green" picture on this site. I have long been linked here.
As for the wasted vote bit, geez, people. If you vote for the greens they (we) get $1.75 per vote. If you vote Liberal then they get your $1.75 -- and they don't really need it as they gots plenty of money. Even the Bloc got $3 million last election.
So, by voting green you help them get some money so they can get the green message out to more people. Then more people can make an informed decision.
True, and the tree hugger part isn't even REMOTELY true anymore. In fact the party supports many things that most environmentalists decry simply because they know the canadian public supports them. That's at least democratic.
Look at the reasons people give for voting liberal and conservative, usually its just a hatred of the other party. Talk about rocks in the head. The tories are backed by oil and american money, the liberals are awash in canadian corporate money and OUR money, so to combine the two above posts, you'd have to have rocks in your head to give your two bucks to one of THOSE parties.
However, at least the NDP is a little more realistic. In fact, if you look at the balance of power in Ottawa, the NDP used their little bit of clout to actually get something out of the budget-the corporate tax cuts (for awhile anyway). If maritimers were smart they'd send in a whole slew of NDP'ers. Voting tory or liberal makes NO difference, that's all decided in southern ontario, however, every NDP seat makes a difference so the maritimes could actually GET something for once, instead of getting screwed over time and time again. The NDP could maybe even wrangle an automaker to New brunswick instead of Paul Martin paying them all to go to southern ontario.
The NDP are only realistic if you pay no taxes or have no problem with a sizeable chunk of what you earn being taken by the Government. If they would get out of the tax and spend mentality, the NDP might pick up a few more votes. They have some good ideas but taxing us to death isn't one of them.
If you reread what i said you'll notice that even if you disagree with them its a strategic way to get something for the maritimes. It works pretty well for Quebec, strategic voting is about the only way to make a difference. A vote for a liberal or conservative LITERALLY makes no difference in the maritimes, especially in New Brunswick.
However, in case you haven't noticed, there's never been an NDP government federally and we STILL pay high taxes. The conservative 'plan' of course is just crazy, they plan on lowering income taxes even faster than the liberals have, and yet will still increase services.
The NDP says that they will increase corporate taxes and business taxes. The liberals have lowered federal taxes, but municipal taxes have skyrocketed in most cases and gas taxes were raised by almost fifty percent.
So the NDP are certainly no worse than the liberals, and a good many canadians still want a public healthcare system. That's the REAL choice.
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I actually herad an interesting story on (ugh, let me say it) CBC yesterday about strategic voting and that essentiatlly it's a pipe dream but the Liberals particularly this election like to talk about it because they believe it's keeping them in power. Maybe, maybe not. Yep, taxes are high and without a doubt an NDP government would send them even higher or at the very least offer no relief. I haven't heard them talk about tax relief yet because they don't care about it. Personally I have to believe in the party and/or the local candidate at least on most things. Tax and spend isn't one of them and it isn't for most Canadians. Thank goodness in this humble taxpayer's opinion.
I guess we can't expect new brunswickers to strategically vote if they don't even understand the concept. Whether New Brunswickers vote liberal or conservative is completely irrelevant. Greater Toronto has far more seats than ALL of New Brunswick.
So strategic voting doesn't apply to the maritimes, UNLESS, like I said, they voted NDP. As we've said, what has Andy Scott done for Fredericton? Nothing. He helped defeat a motion that would have brought more federal money to poor New Brunswickers.
As far as 'tax and spend', that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. The vast majority of tax cuts went to the top 10% wealthiest canadians. Between gas taxes, property taxes, user fees and power increases the majority of canadians have a lower standard of living than they did in the eighties. And of course the conservatives were infamous for their tax increases and NEW taxes.
If you think conservatives are different you aren't paying attention, Harper has been matching Martin in cash gifts. He's also going to increase military spending significantly. So 'tax and spend' really is the order of the day.
Keep in mind that New Brunswickers are much poorer than most canadians and actually in most polls Canadians favour INCREASED taxes, providing they go to increased services.
So you can talk and pretend that 'most canadians' agree with your point of view, but your opinion is just your opinion. Canadians who vote are pretty spread out even among the parties they support, so trying to pin down specific issues really is a gamble.
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