Monday, August 01, 2005
ONE CITIZEN VIEW ON THE IRVINGS!!!! IT'S AN INTERESTING ONE!!!
The Irving family has retarded the growth in Saint John and will for many years to come .
The ideals of this family is to keep the population poor and hungry so when needed they have access to a cheap and egar labour force who will do anything for any wage in order to feed their families.
The way a community works is called clumpage .
A major industry, we'll say like S J drydock , will have need for satelite businesses to supply the materials and goods needed to build the ships . exm.( ocean steel) for metals ,( coastal bearings)for gears and bearings ,(strescon ) for cement , (irving foresty ) for lumber .
In other communities , John Doe may have owned ( ocean steel ) . As S J drydock prospers , so does ocean steel . John Doe ( who now has become wealthy ) may have had 2 sons.
One son ( charles )didnt care for steel makeing and decided to branch off into makeing small water craft and sales , and became wealthy with 200 employees , and had 2 sons and a daughter.
John Doe's second son ( Harry ) got a grand education in engineering and decided to build a plant to construct water sewage equipment.
As his business grew it employed 150 people constructing screens and filters, pumps and gadgets , and he had 2 daughters and a son.
John Doe now , in his later years , has slowed down his work life and took up golf , Haveing led a very successful life he decided to build a golf course in dedication to the people who worked so hard to make his business the sucess it was .
His children ( Charles and Harry ) also very thankful to the community people who worked hard to make there business successful decided to give back to the community in the way of a water park , so the families of the people who worked for them , could have a better quality of life.
Charles , who had 2 sons and a daughter , 1 son become major of Saint John and worked hard to give the people quality of life .
The second son became a doctor , and with the help of his family opened a clinic for less fortuneate people who had lost there way and needed guidance and help from addictions .
The daughter became a citizen of the people , fighting for the elemination of poverty and the protector of human rights .
Just one man , running a successful business led to a careing family who through the generations created thousands of jobs and a better quality of life for the dedication of the people, who worked so hard to make their family a seccess . but this never happened in Saint John , cause the same family that owned the dry dock , owned ( ocean steel ). alas.
John Doe , never excisted . This story could have been the same for the many plants and businesses that were needed to supply and assist S J drydock in its growth , but alas , one family owned them all . Tom Smith , and his 5 children , who may have owned (strescon) and went on to build a wind generation plant , never existed .
George Thump , who in the 50s owned a small engine and motor shop , with government aide , built generators and motors to supply the needs of the small craft shop that John Doe's son , Charles owned . but none of these people existed .
In Saint John , for the last 4 or 5 decades , the majority of business is owned by a single family , and the offspring of that family , has seen to it to use their wealth to buy governments and officials to allow monopolies on media , business and labor for their own personal greed . And what does this family give back to the people in return for their work to create such a beast of an empire ?
Well they throw a few bones out there to feed the dogs , but to pay for the bones , their boughten officials allow their pollution to go on tax free .
This beast of an empire , charges higher gasoline prices than any other province , so the citizens pay the wages of his employees .
They use government monies to break unions , they hire lawyers to find government grant money .
They use media to elect people like Bernard Lord , who in turn manipulates the economy to force small business closures or to retard competiton to the empires chain of business .
These boughten officials allow for poverty and despair so our community has no option but to once again allow the building of yet another potential disaster or pollution threat . ( L.N.G.) and at very little tax base for the citizens who are now struggeling to keep pavement on the roads .
The once vibrant Rockwood Park area , once filled with laughter and fun things to do for our children , cant afford lifeguards . What should be a gem of a tourist attraction with a championship golf course and a mega of activities encompassed around a clump of 6 or 7 lakes right in the heart of our city , sits idle , cause tourism is a word that a pollution beast cannot tolerate .
Those who are lucky enough to earn a decent living off the beast are in fear of speaking out , or just dont worry about other members of our community as long as their needs are met .
Some lucky enough to afford a better education , have fit into a tax bracket that is comfortable and have no inclination of rocking the boat thinking as long as the government is taxing the poorest of society , then they will be left alone .
But all this dont just fit on the shoulders of the beast , society itself is createing a wide spread desease of stress due to lack of income to the bottom feeders who now need 2 or 3 incomes just to maintain a roof over there families head .
Jobs in the 60s and 70s paid near as much as bottom feeder jobs now , but the price of goods are 4 to 5 times the cost .
Its as though the unforuneate of our society should be made to live in poverty and depair as an example to others and so the middle and upper class can have someone to look down on . and be thankful for their well being .
Most of the blame here lies with governments , who all the while being payed by the population , worked hand in hand with corporations and capitalist as to assure their own future and careers while allowing poverty to breed and create a lower class society of minimum wage earners who through stress and fear of the unknown future , turn to crime , alcohol , gamblin , and drugs to escape their misery or give them a false sense of being .
Family breakups are rampant in our lower income society now as governments and capitalist have stolen the hopes of the normal family life of so many , and replaced thier dreams with the stress relieving drugs of the present , alcohol , pills and gambling .
Poverty breeds poverty , only way to stop it , is to stop it . so yes Charles , we do need a champion to stir a revolution of the people in Saint John .
What should be the most attractive and the best little city in the east , is now becomeing a pollution toilet bowl by the manipulation of politics and personal greed .
I cringe when I see the smileling face of this so called leader Bernard Lord who was entrusted to do the bidding of the citizens , but abused that honor in pursuit of his own ambitions during his term in politics and ensureing his future , for when the population has had enough of his manipulating , tax the poor , feed the rich crap .
This little boy , playing the part of a big man , in a giants playing field will , when all is said and done , will live happily ever after , while those of us who pay the expense of his tatics , will worry about the life our children will have in a city of monoply and potential desaster . A city already with the poorest quality of life , in one of the most gorgeous provinces , in a country full of potential wealth .
I am sorry for being so negative and dramatic , but i'm high as hell on coffee and stress , as my 21 year career was snuffed out 6 months ago by what i think was just bad politics and I now fear for my future . No one listens to a man who almost made it , but fell through the corrupted cracks .
So this hurt and scared soul who may be lookin for just a little sympathy or just wants to let out some steam , felt your , what must be very tolerable readers , might just be interested in what my 50 so years of living in Saint John had processed .
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Good one. You have to agree that Irving family is lucky that they could find a wimp like Bernard Lord who is completeely incompetent. The incompetent person can be more easily bought. He is bought by Irvings and insurance companies. We got to remove this wimp from Premier's office. He is an insult to Premier's office. All he has done so far is to multiply the hurt of ordinary and poor folks in this province. These folks constitute the majority. This majority must wisen up.
Agreed Vive. If you want different vote NDP. You might not like what you'll get but it will be different.
Seriously though the NDP in this province has a lot of work to do before they garner any serious votes. I can't think of a seat in this province that any of the three candidates for the NDP leadership could win. AFtre the next election, Elizabeth Weir is going to be solo again in the House with a seemingly unending slew of leaders until someone gets it right. Think the PC's from 1987 - 1999 but probably longer unless they get the right leader.
I respect your point of view and you make some good points. Other parties are not saviour either. However, Lord has shown total incompetence, more so than any previous premiers.
Orimulsion fiasco. Over $3billion down the drain. Taxpayers and ratepayers will pick up the tab and pay for a long time to come.
LNG fiasco. Irvings did not need tax break. They sure can afford taxes and City of Saint John can use those tax dollars. It is baloney that Irvings would have gone somewhere else.
Point Lepreau fiasco. Feds were willing to participate but then Lord started making threats that he will go for alternate energy production. That he will burn coal. Who was he fooling? Pay up or he will pollute the province. Some bargaining tactic. Moreover the negotiations were at the last minute and no proper preparation. It all did not fit well with Feds. Unfortunately it is not Lord who will pay the price. Taxpayers and ratepayers will.
Now he signs the contract with AECL with no guaranties that retrofit will work. People of New Brunswick may be stuck with another $1.4 billion bill or more and with a huge white elephant – Point Lepreau.
Very inhuman approach on VLTs. Lot of lies no action. You do not drag feet or lie on such social policy issues. There are many other social issues that Lord has shown no sensitivity including the issue of the abuse of prescription drugs.
Healthcare fiasco.
On auto-insurance Lord was concerned that he will hurt his chance to run federally if he went with public auto insurance. In his mind he would have alienated national big insurance companies and hence hurting him politically on national level. These companies make good political contributions. It was him which matter and not the people of NB. There is lot more that one can go on. All of these fiascos show that the man is a total wimp.
Feds were willing to participate? Who are you, Andy Scott's flak? The feds screwed NB on Lepreau royally and while Lord should take responsibility for his failings on it, the federal liberals do not deserve a free ride on this one. They lied to NBers again and few will forget.
To the post above that if someone is Andy Scott. No Andy Scott here or his fans.
You just do not negotiate by threatening. Feds were inclined to help not that they are great guys but because they had made lucrative deals with Nova Scotia and Newfoundland. Also Martin's minority government wanted to survive but Lord was tagging along childcare and gas tax money to Point Lepreau. It was a horrible way to negotiate. Lord tried to push the feds against the wall through his threats and refusing to sign other deals. So first break Martin government got they said, "Go screw yourself". Feds will say politics was not involved, hell it was involved and Lord lost in that political chess game. He should have put New Brunswickers’ interest first and should have not played that game. He wanted to raise his profile for being stickler on the issue of childcare deal and gas tax deal. He lost miserably. No, actually New Brunswickers lost. I am no fan of feds but that as how political game was played.
I exactly know how politicians make decisions. There is no great mystery to that. They make decision, if smart, that what would get them re-elected. However, when power gets to their heads in some cases then ego takes over. That has been Lord’s problem.
Orimulsion was no gutsy move. It was the most stupid thing Lord government did. Lord government was trying to sell Colson Cove to the private sector and that is why contract with Venezuela was not signed yet it continued the improvements to the facility to burn Orimulsion. If Lord is so innocent on that then why does he not allow full inquiry? This is the biggest botch up in the history of New Brunswick if not Canada. $3 billion.
Point Lepreau may become another albatross around the neck of Lord if retrofitting does not work, as there are no guarantees under AECL contract. Again Lord must make the deal public to let the public judge for themselves. That is where deviousness of Lord government comes into play.
On public policy the most horrible aspect is lying by Lord government. His ministers made promises which they never kept especially on VLTs.
Incompetence is written all over Lord. Time will tell how much harm has been done to healthcare and province in general. He is no leader material.
Vive, as usual, I agree with most of what you write. Although blaming NBers for not voting for the NDP is a bit far fetched. If NBers aren't voting for the NDP, that's the party's fault for not presenting a vision people can relate to or accept. You're right, the leader of any party isn't the be all and end all but they carry significant weight and the NDP is doomed to flounder until they get quality candidates to not only run for the leadership but for the seats themselves. A dud candidate is a dud candidate no matter which party it is and the Libs and PC's have them to but not to the extent of the NDP. Forgive the pun but most of those who run for the NDP with the odd exception are out in left field. If they weren't they would get more votes.
Before all the rough crowd gets in here let me say that I agree with Spinks that leaders matter. Hell they do otherwise there will not be so much fuss about leaders. Leaders make the ship to sink or swim. P.C were demolished in 1987 because of Hatfield – a very unpopular leader at the time. There are many such examples. NDP does have serious problem with candidates.
Vive you are all over the map when you discuss Bernard Lord. Ontario, PEI, Nova Scotia and other places. All those Premiers are better than Bernard Lord. May be with the exception of Mike Harris. So if Mike Harris was a lousy Premier then it is ok to have a lousy premier in N.B. Should we not learn from history and boot out Lord before he does anymore damage.
Vive you write too long dissertations and one loses track of what point you are trying to make. No one is angry here just pointed out real facts. Please do not claim that you have the sole knowledge of policies in Ontario and British Columbia. I know only so well those two provinces. Lord is no comparison there. May be you have too much of bookish and textbook knowledge and very little actual dealings with these politicians and real world.
Yes 1987 election was lost because of Hatfield. There were some very prominent P.C candidates and very popular in their own ridings, and this not out of a text book, but dislike for Hatfield was so strong that each one of them lost.
Lord is the one who put $3billion down the drain on Orimulsion issue.
Lord is the one who delayed the decision on Point Lepreau that cost went from $800 million to $1.4 billion. $3.6 billion right there. That is a huge sum for a small province and huge sum even at national level. There is no precedent. We still do not know that after the refurbishment the Point Lepreau will work, as there are no guarantees. That is some agreement. He did screw up on negotiations. Vive have you ever been party to a negotiation or a contract? If you have then you would know. There are similar many other cases and files that Lord has screwed up. What I stated here is just the tip of the iceberg. As far as what information was in front of him, Lord won’t be able to tell the difference because his ego has blinded him completely.
Lord has screwed up and screwed up this province real bad.
Vive you are the one who is getting upset now. Also your argument is so fallacious that Lord was waiting for federal government decision. That is very recent. He could have made that decision two years ago. Since you read a lot, besides reading on the web read hansard you will find out that Lord has been delaying the decision despite that he was told he must make a decision. Read some real stuff and meet the people who make decisions and not get all the information on the net.
As far as anybody being part of government, you have no idea who is on the net.
Vive, "Nobody votes for a party based on the leader?" That's pretty simplistic is it not. Some vote on policy, some for their MLA but lots of people vote for the leader or in some cases IE: Hatfield against the leader. I usually understand your points but you've lost me on the latest. Are you advocating an NDP government in NB or not?
On this one I agree with Spinks. People do vote for the leader.
NDP government in NB? Doubt it. They have to get their act together first and put forward credible candidates.
Elizabeth Weir gone as a leader going to be another blow to the party.
Vive you imply that the person who is criticizing Lord reads Irving media. If he does then should he not be defending Lord like you?
You say you are not defending Lord yet you continue to be his apologist for Orimulsion debacle as well as Point Lepreau. What are you saying?
Sorry Vive, you did say nobody. I took it literally.
As for Lepreau, I can't say absolutly that the province went to the feds for help but given the quotes from Liberals MP's such as Zed and Scott, it was certainly implied as they said time and time again they would work with the province to deal with Lepreau. Like most average citizens I take that to mean...well...helping out financially and dealing with red tape. They can spin it however they want but the feds led the province on over Lepreau and one more reason to boot them out as liars. They could have long before this summer said, "Sorry that's not our thing, you're on your own." They never did untill push came to shove.
Now on the provincial side Lord messed up when he didn't take action to do something long before the 11th hour. Time and time again this is the PC's in NB's style, study something to death or try to get every single person's or interests groups comments before making a decision. Sounds great in theory but in reality nothing gets done and this government has done very little time and time again. Either the PC's get their act together or they deserve to be booted out and give the Liberals a crack at it. (Sorry Vive, can't bring myself to vote for the NDP at this time.)
Good point but no one knows how to mothball a Candu 6 either. Either way we were screwed financially and while "green" power is the way to go, it wasn't in place and wasn't going to be in place in time. The foresight wasn't there. As for windmills, I'm all for them but they're not the be all and end all. All the money spent on windmills in PEI and they supply only 3% of the island's electricity and that's a small province. We still need other sources of power and until they're in place I don't think there was much choice than to refurbish Lepreau. Again the feds could have said from the get-go, "we're not in". They didn't and should be held accountable.
NDP government's make me and a lot of Canadians nervous because they're pretty spend-happy. Bob Rae tried to spend his way out of the recession and left Ontario 10-billion dollars in the hole. Just about every time Elizabeth Weir brings something up, it's for the government to spend more money. How much does she think we have? I'll grant you that it's easy to make promises when in opposition. If you don't have to deliver, promise whatever you want. That's why Lord promised to get rid of the tolls. He didn't think he'd win.
Interesting discussion. Vive how a decision can be gutsy when it puts the province in the hole for $3 billion on Orimulsion alone. Stupid, idiotic, moronic and disastrous decision comes to mind. That is the nature of the decision when contract was not signed but improvements to Colson Cove to burn Orimulsion continued so that Irving can collect millions on that. There you agree with me.
How decision on Pt. Lepreau is gutsy when it is going to cost us $400 million more because the decision was delayed when proposal for retrofit was made some two years ago. Lord was urged to make the decision. He was too busy entertaining the idea to run federally and too busy to raise his profile. $400 million more later and no guarantee that retrofit will work. It is a missed boat scenario. Rest of your argument on Point Lepreau is reasonable it may turn out to be a lemon and even environmentally disastrous.
No one is lauding the feds for not helping on Point Lepreau. Only what is being said is that Lord went totally wrong way about it as he did on many other issues. It is also true that he waited too long on that. He should have started 2 years ago. I do not know where you are getting your information but first time Lord met Martin on this issue was in April 2005.
“YOU may be voting for Shawn Graham because you think he's a wonderful person and smells good and has lovely hair..” here you make many assumption. First no one said anything about voting for Shawn Graham. Secondly I never noticed that he smells good or has lovely hair. May be he will get the votes of some young girls for that. All that was said was that goof-ups of Lord are simply too many. Ironically you go along & you agree and Spinks agrees.
Happy arguing. Now at least we agree that we will be paying the price for Lord’s blunders for decades to come.
"...paying the price for Lord’s blunders for decades to come." Yep. I'm not convinced anyone else would have done anything differently but it's on Lord's watch so I whole-hertedley agree. The multi-billion dollar debt at NB Power continues to rise and we're paying for it through reduced spending in other valuable programs, higher taxes, higher power rates, etc. for a long time.
It is the magnitude of bungling on Orimulsion,Colson Cove and Point Lepreau which scares the hell out of me.
Also you are right about tolls. He made that promise when he did not expect to win. Highly irresponsible. I believe we are paying very heavily for that too. $100s of millions gone down the tube. Lord wants to recover that through doubling and trippling certain fees and fines. Increasing taxes on gasoline. It is a financial nightmare.
Good thing about your discussion is that you reacheced the same conclusion. Lord got to go. Too much damage already.
LOL - only on this site would it be an insult that someone read books. Stands to reason, I guess.
Have you notice that the Irvings are condenming Shawn Graham lately>>>>
Surprising because despite appearances the Irvings are as Liberal red as you can get.
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