Frankly this type of post only leads to animosity and fear from immigrants living in the city. There is no evidence the Fredericton police are targeting visible minorities. They arrested a guy who just happens to be a visible minority because he was not opbeying the law. Some white folks were arrested too. To use pictures like this and suggets that little babies in strollers need to fear the FPF is over-the-top. It is your blog Charles but you may wnat to re-think this one.
Spinks I thought you could read between the lines better than that?
Boy you were way off on that one.
I was poking fun at Charles because of the Quebec Licence Plate on the car.
There is NO problem with the Fredericton Police Force it's with one or two who didn't take the same cource on proper edicate then the rest thats about it on that one.
I love ya Spinks!!!...lol..Why don't you post in every blog!!! These Vultures are getting real bad. You're a proffesional when it comes to take the heat away from me....
9:23 am is stretching. It seems pretty clear that the officers used excessive force when arresting Mr Rashid, and that one of them was a bigot (askijng where he was born, etc.). I am no fan of police generally, but I don't think that one incident that one day justifies saying Fredericton Police are racist. It was one incident, and we have seen police be pretty restrained in dealing with many protests.
The stretch I'm referring to is the suggestion that the arrests were racist. The first guy was arrested because he's not white and the others because they had cameras? Mr Rashid is ALways protesting something, and the cops generally leave him be. And if the others were arrested because they had cameras, why weren't the cameras kept or damaged?
No, there was something wrong that day, for sure. The arrests showed bad judgment, and the bylaw used for the tickets is offensive, but there's no evidence justifying a conclusion that immigrants need to fear Fredericton Police.
Yes immigrants have to fear Fredericton police. There are many cases of racism and this one got publicity. It is unfortunate. I heard that city police and mayor were asked many times for sensitivity training after some previous racist incidences but they refused to do so. That tells you something. When will it become racism when one of the cops kills somebody? Now is the time to take action. That particular cop is a disgrace to the police force, Fredericton, NB and Canada. Something must be done and done now.
I gotta hand it to 10:26, here's a voice of reason admidst this debate. From all the evidence that's out there in the public domain it appears some of these folks were essentially "causing a disturbance", a criminal code offence. They were asked to disperse, they didn't and Rashid and others were arrested.
Here lies the problem with the mainstream media. They asked tough questions of the Fredericotn Police as they should. However Rashid was mostly taken at his word and generally not asked any tough questions about the incidents or if he was the media chose to not print or air them. Why? Because the mainstream media is afraid of looking racist if they question this guy about his accusation of racism. Make sense? It doesn't to me either. We're so afraid as a society to be called a racist or bigot (Charles excluded on the bigot part) that we won't ask or question what is obvious. This guy broke the law, was given a chance to leave, didn't and was arrested which I suspect he probably wanted to raise his profile anyway. He's now known across Canada. You can't buy that kind of publicity.
No laws were broken Spinks. We were peacefully protesting on public space and were far from making a disturbance. We were getting ready to leave and the police became confrontational with us. We challenged them on why we were being asked to leave and were arrested.
The only people who broke the law that day were the police.
I agree with chris erb. No laws were broken. If publicity was intended by protestors, as Spinks alleges, then they would have not brought their whole family with them to witness the humiliation of being thrown on the ground, beaten and handcuffed. Spinks, I thought you were more reasonable than to come up with such innuendoes to prove the innocence of the establishment, in this case police. I suppose I was wrong about you being reasonable.
Thanks for the front-line point of view Chris. I'm still suspicious of the racism accusation but we'll see when the investigation is complete. I'm a little concerned after hearing Mr. Rashid on CBC Radio this morning regarding the police investigation. He appeared to already question the impartiality of the Saint John Police to investigate. That suggests to me that if a ruling is made to Mr. Rashid's liking he can claim victory but if it's not he'll claim bias. Maybe I'm wrong but I've heard people use this PR tactic before.
Spinks, I agree with Rashid. You have been defending from day 1 your white pal may be compelled by that brotherhood of some kind. Fellow police officers have even greater affinity and brotherhood. They protect each other no matter they are from Saint John or Halifax. For inquiry to be objective it must be done by independent body such as one-man commission of law professor from UNB or U de Moncton.
Spinks, I agree with Rashid. You have been defending from day 1 your white pal may be compelled by that brotherhood of some kind. Fellow police officers have even greater affinity and brotherhood. They protect each other no matter they are from Saint John or Halifax. For inquiry to be objective it must be done by independent body such as one-man commission of law professor from UNB or U de Moncton.
That is what FPF is doing. The Saint John Police Force has no vested interest in the Fredericton Police Force except that they're both municipal police forces. I suppose the RCMP could be brought in but the record of other police force investigating are pretty good. If it were the FPF investigating itself I'd be more suspicious, but I suspect the SJPD will deliver an unbiased report whatever that may be. I understand potential disappointment Chris but Mr. Rashid appears to be setting this up so he can claim bias not disappointment if it doesn't go his way. That is unfortunate IMHO.
I do not believe for a minute that police investigating police will be objective. It has to be independent body. Let us say a minority professor from university who might have faced racism and knows and understands how it stings. Spinks, and his buddies will never know.
..but 9:34 arguably your example would be biased against police, or are you okay with bias as long as the result is the one you want? Hmmmm. I'm starting to sense a bit of a not-so-hidden agenda on your part. I'm going to also go out on a limb here and guess you're also a white guy with a lot of liberal guilt which you would like the rest of society to also feel. Friend, you are not helping any minority with your comments tryng to make them fear the police. You are only making them fearful when there is no evidence they need to be. I'll comment further on a related blog which is not so far down the page.
I believe in impartiality. Police force cannot be impartial to another police force. They cannot be judge and jury at the same time. Yes it is scary the way Rashid was knocked down to the ground and humiliated. It is black spot on Fredericton like it or not.
Overreaction by the police? As I've stated before, maybe. Racist? Unlikely. It seems Mr. Rashid was thrown down because he was being antagonistic towards the cops not because of the colour of his skin. If the police over-reacted (and as stated they might have)their behaviour should be reviewed but the racist accusations don't serve anyone well when there is zero evidence that was the case.
Wow, Spinks. Jumped to conclusion in not time that a minority investigator will be biased and police cop will not be for a police cop. Watch your logic, man. You have fallen in your own trap. Ouch! It is called pre-judice or pre-judement. If you pre-judge then you are saying it is ok.
Exactly my point 2:31. The Professor in Moncton probably has no more bias because he/she is a minority than the SJPD does simply because they are a police force. So let's let the SJPD do their job without the accusations before the investigation has even begun. And for crying out loud stop fanning the flame of hatred by claiming racism whehn nothing has been proven. That serves no one well when some in the community are being told by people posting here that thye should fera the police. That's just plain hogwash and is only being played to serve someone's agenda. Thankfully most people don't believe it. Fredericton is a great city to live for EVERYONE. It is unfortunate what happened to Mr. Rashid and even if he was antagonizing the police which it appears he was with the tape recorder, they need to be careful not to overreact. However the motivation for tossing him to the ground was clearly not racism and that is a disservice to all minorities in Fredericton to even make such a ridiculous claim. Shame on the mainstream media for not asking some tougher questions on this one.
Spinks, you are a strange man. If it is a minority investigator then he/she will be biased however if it is another police force then it won’t be. Very twisted argument.
Let us call a spade a spade. Racism cannot be more blatant. Only one person was knocked to the ground. Only one person was handcuffed. According to you that is just coincidence that person happens to be a minority. You sound like a typical bigot. Shame on you and shame on the city police. Indeed the particular cop must be fired. He is giving very bad name to the city.
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All is good Charlie, It's not as bad as we thought.
Note the Licence Plate in the corner of your pic.
They will continue to protect us and serve us well! lol
Frankly this type of post only leads to animosity and fear from immigrants living in the city. There is no evidence the Fredericton police are targeting visible minorities. They arrested a guy who just happens to be a visible minority because he was not opbeying the law. Some white folks were arrested too. To use pictures like this and suggets that little babies in strollers need to fear the FPF is over-the-top. It is your blog Charles but you may wnat to re-think this one.
Spinks I thought you could read between the lines better than that?
Boy you were way off on that one.
I was poking fun at Charles because of the Quebec Licence Plate on the car.
There is NO problem with the Fredericton Police Force it's with one or two who didn't take the same cource on proper edicate then the rest thats about it on that one.
I'm referring to Charles' post beneath the babies 3:47.
license plate is from Quebec???? You would notice that????
So if the motivation was racism 6:23 why were three others arrested who were white?
We had camera's.
Okay, but cameras don't equate racism.
I love ya Spinks!!!...lol..Why don't you post in every blog!!! These Vultures are getting real bad. You're a proffesional when it comes to take the heat away from me....
9:23 am is stretching. It seems pretty clear that the officers used excessive force when arresting Mr Rashid, and that one of them was a bigot (askijng where he was born, etc.). I am no fan of police generally, but I don't think that one incident that one day justifies saying Fredericton Police are racist. It was one incident, and we have seen police be pretty restrained in dealing with many protests.
The stretch I'm referring to is the suggestion that the arrests were racist. The first guy was arrested because he's not white and the others because they had cameras? Mr Rashid is ALways protesting something, and the cops generally leave him be. And if the others were arrested because they had cameras, why weren't the cameras kept or damaged?
No, there was something wrong that day, for sure. The arrests showed bad judgment, and the bylaw used for the tickets is offensive, but there's no evidence justifying a conclusion that immigrants need to fear Fredericton Police.
Yes immigrants have to fear Fredericton police. There are many cases of racism and this one got publicity. It is unfortunate. I heard that city police and mayor were asked many times for sensitivity training after some previous racist incidences but they refused to do so. That tells you something. When will it become racism when one of the cops kills somebody? Now is the time to take action. That particular cop is a disgrace to the police force, Fredericton, NB and Canada. Something must be done and done now.
I gotta hand it to 10:26, here's a voice of reason admidst this debate. From all the evidence that's out there in the public domain it appears some of these folks were essentially "causing a disturbance", a criminal code offence. They were asked to disperse, they didn't and Rashid and others were arrested.
Here lies the problem with the mainstream media. They asked tough questions of the Fredericotn Police as they should. However Rashid was mostly taken at his word and generally not asked any tough questions about the incidents or if he was the media chose to not print or air them. Why? Because the mainstream media is afraid of looking racist if they question this guy about his accusation of racism. Make sense? It doesn't to me either. We're so afraid as a society to be called a racist or bigot (Charles excluded on the bigot part) that we won't ask or question what is obvious. This guy broke the law, was given a chance to leave, didn't and was arrested which I suspect he probably wanted to raise his profile anyway. He's now known across Canada. You can't buy that kind of publicity.
No laws were broken Spinks. We were peacefully protesting on public space and were far from making a disturbance. We were getting ready to leave and the police became confrontational with us. We challenged them on why we were being asked to leave and were arrested.
The only people who broke the law that day were the police.
I agree with chris erb. No laws were broken. If publicity was intended by protestors, as Spinks alleges, then they would have not brought their whole family with them to witness the humiliation of being thrown on the ground, beaten and handcuffed. Spinks, I thought you were more reasonable than to come up with such innuendoes to prove the innocence of the establishment, in this case police. I suppose I was wrong about you being reasonable.
Only one who broke the law were police.
Thanks for the front-line point of view Chris. I'm still suspicious of the racism accusation but we'll see when the investigation is complete. I'm a little concerned after hearing Mr. Rashid on CBC Radio this morning regarding the police investigation. He appeared to already question the impartiality of the Saint John Police to investigate. That suggests to me that if a ruling is made to Mr. Rashid's liking he can claim victory but if it's not he'll claim bias. Maybe I'm wrong but I've heard people use this PR tactic before.
Spinks, I agree with Rashid. You have been defending from day 1 your white pal may be compelled by that brotherhood of some kind. Fellow police officers have even greater affinity and brotherhood. They protect each other no matter they are from Saint John or Halifax. For inquiry to be objective it must be done by independent body such as one-man commission of law professor from UNB or U de Moncton.
Spinks, I agree with Rashid. You have been defending from day 1 your white pal may be compelled by that brotherhood of some kind. Fellow police officers have even greater affinity and brotherhood. They protect each other no matter they are from Saint John or Halifax. For inquiry to be objective it must be done by independent body such as one-man commission of law professor from UNB or U de Moncton.
"White pal"? Brotherhood? Somebody's got some race issues but I think it's you friend.
If racism is proven, so be it and the FPF should answer to it. However given the facts so far it seems unlikely.
That is what FPF is doing. The Saint John Police Force has no vested interest in the Fredericton Police Force except that they're both municipal police forces. I suppose the RCMP could be brought in but the record of other police force investigating are pretty good. If it were the FPF investigating itself I'd be more suspicious, but I suspect the SJPD will deliver an unbiased report whatever that may be. I understand potential disappointment Chris but Mr. Rashid appears to be setting this up so he can claim bias not disappointment if it doesn't go his way. That is unfortunate IMHO.
I do not believe for a minute that police investigating police will be objective. It has to be independent body. Let us say a minority professor from university who might have faced racism and knows and understands how it stings. Spinks, and his buddies will never know.
..but 9:34 arguably your example would be biased against police, or are you okay with bias as long as the result is the one you want? Hmmmm. I'm starting to sense a bit of a not-so-hidden agenda on your part. I'm going to also go out on a limb here and guess you're also a white guy with a lot of liberal guilt which you would like the rest of society to also feel. Friend, you are not helping any minority with your comments tryng to make them fear the police. You are only making them fearful when there is no evidence they need to be. I'll comment further on a related blog which is not so far down the page.
I believe in impartiality. Police force cannot be impartial to another police force. They cannot be judge and jury at the same time. Yes it is scary the way Rashid was knocked down to the ground and humiliated. It is black spot on Fredericton like it or not.
Overreaction by the police? As I've stated before, maybe. Racist? Unlikely. It seems Mr. Rashid was thrown down because he was being antagonistic towards the cops not because of the colour of his skin. If the police over-reacted (and as stated they might have)their behaviour should be reviewed but the racist accusations don't serve anyone well when there is zero evidence that was the case.
Wow, Spinks. Jumped to conclusion in not time that a minority investigator will be biased and police cop will not be for a police cop. Watch your logic, man. You have fallen in your own trap. Ouch! It is called pre-judice or pre-judement. If you pre-judge then you are saying it is ok.
I can't even understand what point you're trying to make friend. Can you try again?
"...but 9:34 arguably your example would be biased against police"
Spinks I read your statment too.
You are clearly implying that if investigator is a minority he/she will be biased.
Exactly my point 2:31. The Professor in Moncton probably has no more bias because he/she is a minority than the SJPD does simply because they are a police force. So let's let the SJPD do their job without the accusations before the investigation has even begun. And for crying out loud stop fanning the flame of hatred by claiming racism whehn nothing has been proven. That serves no one well when some in the community are being told by people posting here that thye should fera the police. That's just plain hogwash and is only being played to serve someone's agenda. Thankfully most people don't believe it. Fredericton is a great city to live for EVERYONE. It is unfortunate what happened to Mr. Rashid and even if he was antagonizing the police which it appears he was with the tape recorder, they need to be careful not to overreact. However the motivation for tossing him to the ground was clearly not racism and that is a disservice to all minorities in Fredericton to even make such a ridiculous claim. Shame on the mainstream media for not asking some tougher questions on this one.
Spinks, you are a strange man. If it is a minority investigator then he/she will be biased however if it is another police force then it won’t be. Very twisted argument.
Let us call a spade a spade. Racism cannot be more blatant. Only one person was knocked to the ground. Only one person was handcuffed. According to you that is just coincidence that person happens to be a minority. You sound like a typical bigot. Shame on you and shame on the city police. Indeed the particular cop must be fired. He is giving very bad name to the city.
Isn't "spade a spade" a racist connontation? Talk about blatant. Friend go look in the mirror.
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