Monday, November 06, 2006
CHARLES WAS ARRESTED BY OFF DUTY COPS???
his issue was bought to my attention and maybe the headline is not a good one but I must admit that I didn’t know this was going on. Police Officers in New Brunswick can wear their uniforms, badge or gun while worker at another Part Time job?
I guess this goes on all the time. I didn’t know this practice was going on until my trial last week. Here’s the email
Charlie,
I forgot to mention to you what I got out of the first day of your trial.
First of all why would a police officer that is off duty poise as a police officer when they were hired to do Security?
Would this not be fraud on the security that were acting as police officers?
Does Security personnel have the right to arrest people? Would this be normal practice that a off duty police office can wear their uniform at their side job?
Did they wear their guns for this off duty job? Just thought that I would send you my thoughts just in case that you didn't think of it.
Since we the taxpayers pay for the Police, did we benefit in any way by the police doing this part time job on an off duty day by wearing their uniform.
I smell fraud!!!!!!!!!
Concern taxpayer....
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Off-duty cops are still cops. Once they're sworn in as a police officer, they're a cop 24-hours a day even though they may not be assigned to a shift. So, when they're hired to provide security for private events such as that conference, they're still cops and have the right to wear the uniform and carry the firearm. It happens all the time everywhere. Most of the time, it's because there aren't enough cops on a shift to be able to dedicate two or three to providing security for the event. The off-duty cops do the job instead.
Wow, Security Guards sure have power! They can throw you to the ground put their knees on your neck and sit on you when you were not even moving. I think that they were certainly out of line. Just look what these off duty police officers part time Security Guards are doing to the SJPF reputation. None of it is good.
That is a point well taken. Its not like a plumber or carpenter doing work on the side. If a cop wants to be a security guard don a security uniform and work within that job discription. I'm sure that if I was asked to do security work I could not dress in poilce grear and wear a gun. This is one for your side Charles.
I thought this was common knowledge about this event, but it does raise significant questions. Police are in a union, which means if a private company hires them to work security then is the union then culpable?
This is important because numerous police forces have been sued lately, which means, can the police say "he wasn't working for us at the time" and you'd have to sue the private company instead?
Anybody can be a security guard, and if security at Wal Mart imposes on your rights you sue Wal Mart, so what exactly is the relation here?
However, in this particular case I'm pretty sure I read that those acted as security 'called the police' who arrived in ten minutes. So this was still a police action, not a private security action. The issue is an important one, but not germane to this case unless the article I read about the progression of events was wrong.
I thought this was common knowledge about this event, but it does raise significant questions. Police are in a union, which means if a private company hires them to work security then is the union then culpable?
This is important because numerous police forces have been sued lately, which means, can the police say "he wasn't working for us at the time" and you'd have to sue the private company instead?
Anybody can be a security guard, and if security at Wal Mart imposes on your rights you sue Wal Mart, so what exactly is the relation here?
However, in this particular case I'm pretty sure I read that those acted as security 'called the police' who arrived in ten minutes. So this was still a police action, not a private security action. The issue is an important one, but not germane to this case unless the article I read about the progression of events was wrong.
Regardless of what you choose to call them, they are stil police officers. When they put on the uniform and carry a firearm, that's all the advertising they need to let you know that you're dealing with the police and not Parrtown Security. Any dummy would know that. :-)
So from what your readers are saying, a policeman is a policeman whether they volunteer or not.
So would the same apply to the Military Police in the army?
Could they volunteer and wear their uniform and gun for a Security Job?
Could a Fireman volunteer at a smaller community Fire
Station and wear their uniform?
It still doesn't sound right to me.....Sorry.
Check the New Brunswick Police Act and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
The police act doesn't say anything about the above. For example, if a police is off duty and assaults you, you can't sue the police force. When you hire a private security the question still is whether you are hiring an individual or the police department.
Both situations have scary implications. If the police are 'renting' the force out to those who can afford it, then they can't really be trusted as officers of the court.
The bottom line is this-
If as all 11 witnesses said to this point on the first day of Charlie's court appearance,
"Word was out" or "Rumour had it" that there is or will be a group of protesters on their way down to the convention Center to disrupt the main meetings that were taking place on that afternoon, then why in the world wouldn't they send re-enforcements to intervene instead of waiting until it blew up in their faces.
All statements to this point clearly say that the police were able to get there within 30 to about 90 seconds at most.
If this is indeed the facts
Then we must assume that the person who was in charge of the overall operation was not fit to be in that particular situation of authority or to be responsible for public safety and most especially since they all had at least one to three full months to prepare.
Charlie you will most definitely walk away from this without a criminal record attached to your name.
But as far as others involved in this ridiculous charade of particulars, hopefully there will be some mighty big slaps on the wrists to those who totally screwed up about as bad as they possibly could.
(note) If this is the best the City of Saint John has to offer up as far as protecting the public and or overseeing any types of functions that may not please all of us.
I certainly hope anything bigger than a dozen people gathering in one location from this point that the City of Saint John sends for outside help in the future as we now know without a doubt that their police force does not have the expertise to do the job properly or in the best interests of the public as has been proven with this fiasco.
They weren't even able to act on the level of a minimum wage security guard which in my opinion would have done a much better job.......More to come soon...
Who says a police officer is a police officer whether they are on duty or not!!??
Read the news folks, Do you know how many moonlighting off duty Police Officers parading as security officers took full advantage of that particular situation in the past?
There have been many many news clips over the years of this very thing.
Officers gone bad using their title to get themselves positioned in the right place at the right time for self gain as in breaking the law in Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Montreal,
New York, New Orleans etc...etc.
(robbery, murder, money, and just plain greed)
I believe if Privately owned Convention Centers are going to Host these types of functions with fear of Protests lingering in the background then they should have to pay the City in Question the full and proper amount of cash that it will take to hire Police Officers as Police Officers to be on site for the full duration of such meetings thus avoiding these things in the future.
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