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Mr. S. Graham: At the outset, I welcome the invitation to visit the member for Tantramar this
summer at his farm in Kent County, but I must remind the member that the Zion Church Road is in
such a pitiful state of disrepair because this government, over the past seven years, has neglected
to repair it. It will have to be a Liberal government that will fix the road to his farm.
Child Care
My question this morning is for the Premier. We are concerned about child care in New Brunswick.
In fact, this morning, Statistics Canada released a report on child care trends. These findings identify
the dramatically increasing need for child care spaces in New Brunswick in our urban areas and in
our rural areas. Does the Premier agree that we need significant new investments in this area that
would be provided under the existing $100-million agreement in principle between New Brunswick
and the government of Canada?
Hon. Mr. Lord: I am very pleased that our government, in the past seven years, has reversed the
trends that were put in place by the previous Liberal government. The same way that the roads in
Kent County were neglected by the Graham family for over 25 years, the child care system of New
Brunswick was also neglected by the Liberals during the time that they were in government. They
cut subsidies to child care operators in this province. They cut support for parents who needed child
care in this province, and we reinstated that support in the past seven years. This year’s budget
contains new, additional investments to help families and children in New Brunswick.
Mr. S. Graham: I am disappointed that the Premier is starting with personal attacks against our
family this morning.
I can say very clearly that the fact remains that, today, a report by Statistics Canada clearly outlines
the need for more day care programs in New Brunswick. The need has increased dramatically. My
question to the Premier is this. Would you not agree that the agreement in principle of $100 million
would go a long way toward solving this problem?
Hon. Mr. Lord: We have seen the trend this week. The Leader of the Opposition comes to the
House and wants to fight the fight of the Liberal Party of Canada. He wants to fight against the
Conservative Party of Canada. I want to tell you that I am here to work for the people of New
Brunswick.
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I want to say very clearly that I support this budget because this budget contains additional
investments for day care and additional investments for parents. That is the important thing. I also
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support the policy of the federal government to give more choices to parents by providing them
directly with $1 200 per child. It will help more parents in more areas of the province than the
proposal of the previous Liberal government.
Mr. S. Graham: It is not a question of choice, because no choice exists in New Brunswick today.
We are the worst in the country for having accessible and affordable day care programs. I make no
apology on this side of the House for standing up and fighting for the parents of New Brunswick
who need acceptable day care programs. The point that we are making today is that there was an
agreement in principle, and today eight Premiers across this country are expressing concern that the
agreement will be broken. Only two Premiers are sitting silent. You are one of them. That is why
we on this side of the Chamber are asking: Would not $100 million go a long way in bringing up
our standards and helping children access affordable day care?
Hon. Mr. Lord: I have been anything but silent on this. I stated very clearly that I support the
approach of the federal government to provide more choices to parents. The days of the Liberal
thinking, that the Liberal government can educate children better than parents can, are long gone.
We believe that parents know how to educate their children, and that is why our government wants
to support parents in that task.
The Leader of the Opposition should know that the $1 200 per child is worth more to the province
of New Brunswick—not to the government of New Brunswick, but to the parents of New
Brunswick—than the current agreement in principle with the previous Liberal government. There
is more funding for children and parents under the Conservative plan than there is under the Liberal
plan.
Mr. S. Graham: The point is clear. Eight Premiers in this country today are concerned that the
agreement in principle that was signed will not be directed toward affordable and accessible day
care. The Premier talks about giving money back to parents. The Caledon Institute of Social Policy
recently released a report. I will share it with the Premier. The fact is that in a two-income family,
earning approximately $36 000 a year, the $1 200 child care allowance will increase the family’s
taxable income so that it will pay $422 more in federal and provincial taxes. The allowance will also
result in a $390 reduction in the Canada child tax credit, the GST credit, and the provincial tax
credit, and the actual net income will only be $388 per family. Is this the type of vision that our
Premier has—$400 of actual income in parents’ pockets, or $100 million to create 6 500 new
affordable day care spaces in New Brunswick?
Hon. Mr. Lord: The vision and the plan that we have been putting in place has resulted in 2 700
more day care spaces in New Brunswick. This is far better than the track record of cutting subsidies
and cutting help to day care operators in New Brunswick. The Liberal Party of New Brunswick has
no leg to stand on when it comes to protecting day cares and helping parents. They are the ones who
neglected the social side. I bet you that the Leader of the Opposition subscribes to the point of view
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of the big brothers in Ottawa who think that the parents will only spend this on beer and popcorn.
That is the philosophy of the Liberal Party.
Mr. S. Graham: The audacity of this Premier to talk about credibility. The bottom line is that the
main thrust of the throne speech that was presented in December was the new prekindergarten
program that this government announced with great fanfare. We, on this side of the House, took it
that the research had been done, that the consultation had been done, but it is clear today, with
respect to credibility, that this government has none, because it was all about politics. If this
government were committed to the prekindergarten program, it would have committed to it in this
budget. What it was looking for instead was a headline in the newspapers.
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Hon. Mr. Lord: This is the style of negative attacks that we are accustomed to from the Leader of
the Opposition and his party. The fact is, they like to criticize everything. The fact is, we are
committed to putting in place a universal pre-K program for four-year-olds in New Brunswick. To
do it right, we believe in consultation before the fact. Did the Liberal Party consult with daycare
operators when it cut their funding? No, it did not. Did the Liberal Party consult with parents when
it cut subsidies to parents for childcare spaces? No, it did not. Will this Conservative government
of New Brunswick consult with parents and daycare operators before we set up a pre-K program?
Absolutely, we will.
Mr. S. Graham: It is very clear this morning that this budget is all about politics and it is not about
people. The Premier wants to fight the election of seven years ago. I welcome fighting the next
election. Very clearly, our position on investing in new childcare spaces will be front and clear.
Why? Because it is not a question of choice when no choice exists in our province. You are willing
to give up $100 million to invest in the children of New Brunswick. Well, a Liberal government is
committed to bringing forward the spaces to both rural and urban New Brunswick.
The Premier announced that he had a plan, that he had a vision, and it was the main component of
his throne speech. It is very clear now that when that was announced in December, he was not
looking to improve early childhood education—he was simply looking for a headline. It is the
children of New Brunswick who have been let down by his lack of leadership today on these files.
Hon. Mr. Lord: I am not sure if there was a question, but there certainly is an opening. First of all,
$31 million of the agreement in principle will come to New Brunswick. That spending is outlined
in the budget. On top of that, the parents of New Brunswick will start receiving the $1 200 from the
federal government. This budget is about people. This budget is about the future of New Brunswick.
I want to remind the Leader of the Opposition that I am looking forward to the next election. I am
not going to force an election just because the Leader of the Opposition is scared that he is going
to lose his job from his own party. He has to deal with his own problems. I am not going to force
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an election and ask the people of New Brunswick to pay an extra $5 million to $10 million, just
because the Leader of the Opposition wants to force an election. That would be irresponsible.
What is responsible is investing record amounts in health care. What is responsible is protecting the
homes of seniors. What is responsible is investing record amounts in education.
Power Rate Increases
Mr. Paulin: I would certainly like to tell this government what the people of Madawaska and
Restigouche think about this government. Unfortunately, the rules of this House do not permit me
to use that language. If this government really wants to know what the people think, go to the polls
and find out.
This government announced in its budget and made reference that a power rate increase of 8% is
acceptable, for this year only. God knows what for next year. However, when this government is
questioned on how it will help our mills in New Brunswick, it replies that that is out of their control.
We know that this government does not have any control over anything.
My question to the Minister of Natural Resources is simple: What commitment has he made to
protect companies in New Brunswick against skyrocketing energy costs?
Hon. Mr. Ashfield: We have a very clear plan on this side of the House, unlike the members
opposite who have no plans at all. We introduced a $250-million forestry package, which is
outstanding and uprecedented in this province, to help our industries in this province. One of the
components of that is to look at the energy file.
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Forest Products
Mr. Paulin: This government says that it has a long-term vision for the forestry sector in New
Brunswick. We are seeing mills closing, and we are seeing people losing jobs throughout this
province because of the inaction of this government. What is this government doing to promote
value-added jobs in New Brunswick, to save those communities that are in dire straits?
Hon. Mr. Ashfield: Forestry, mills, and pulp mills are all value-added. That is what the forestry
industry is about, and that is what the production is about when we go into the mills. They are valueadded
products. Therefore, I do not know what the actual question of the member opposite is.
Apparently, he does not understand the forestry industry and the role that the mills have in this
province. We look at the continued value-added in some of the smaller sectors that is ongoing. We
have a tremendous small value-added industry in this province. It is important to the fibre of New
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Brunswick, and it creates many, many jobs. We will continue to work with that sector as long as we
are here, and I expect that to be for quite some time.
Mr. Paulin: When this government is cornered to give an honest answer that concerns the
livelihoods of many New Brunswickers, we are criticized for asking questions. I want to say to this
government that, as long as I am the member in Restigouche County, I will continue to ask questions
to this government. I will continue to complain to this government. I will continue to chastise this
government if I need to. However, it will be the people of New Brunswick who will punish this
government.
My question for the Minister of Natural Resources is that there are numerous small- and mediumsized
businesses throughout Restigouche County and elsewhere that received help from the
Department of Natural Resources and that could have created jobs like Sharpe Canoes in Mann
Mountain, the Levesque mill, in Saint-Arthur, and La Scierie Chasse, in Kedgwick. Where were this
government, this minister, and the Department of Natural Resources? Where do you stand on these
requests?
Hon. Mr. Ashfield: I can tell you and assure you that, on this side of the House, we do tell the truth.
In terms of the question posed by the member opposite, we provide assistance, and we are constantly
working with the value-added sector in this province. As requests come in, we deal with them, and
we will continue to deal with them, unlike what took place with the previous government.
Assurance
M. Landry : Ma question est pour le ministre de la Justice et de la Consommation. Dernièrement,
plusieurs personnes me disent que leurs primes d’assurance-maison augmentent.
(Exclamation.)
M. Landry : Non, non, je n’ai pas les chiffres ; je ne me tromperai pas dans mes chiffres ce matin,
Monsieur le ministre des Transports.
Je veux savoir, au moment où les gens commencent à voir la lumière au bout du tunnel en ce qui a
trait à l’assurance automobile — je dis bien « commencent » —, si le ministre a appris hier, comme
je l’ai vu au réseau anglais de Radio-Canada, qu’il y a une augmentation des primes d’assurancemaison.
Hon. Mr. Fitch: As the newly minted Minister of Justice and Consumer Affairs, I am glad to stand
up and talk about the record of the government on auto insurance. As the opposition has said, auto
insurance rates are coming down in New Brunswick. I am well aware of the work of Robert Jones
on the CBC, and I am well aware of the type of information that he gives. It was interesting to see
that, as Robert Jones went from house to house to house to ask people about their auto insurance
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rates, they kept saying that their insurance rates had gone down. I guess the reforms that were put
in place by this government have worked.
M. Landry : Je rappelle au ministre que ce n’est pas l’assurance automobile qui me préoccupe ce
matin. Je lui ai demandé s’il était au courant que les gens commencent à se plaindre parce que les
primes d’assurance-maison augmentent au Nouveau-Brunswick. Je veux savoir s’il va attendre aussi
longtemps avant de régler la question de l’assurance-maison que le temps que ce gouvernement a
pris pour régler la question de l’assurance automobile. Ce gouvernement n’a jamais réglé le
problème de l’assurance automobile. Je veux savoir si les primes doivent dégringoler autant avant
que ce gouvernement prenne position.
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Hon. Mr. Fitch: As was reported in the CBC interview last night, there are some changes in house
insurance rates. We are certainly well aware of things that are happening within the industry, be it
auto or house insurance. It is interesting to note that the member opposite did not provide any figures
or research. The last research they quoted from national research associates, they had to retract the
next day—that is, Corporate Research Associates. They had to retract it the next day because they
had purchased information that was wrong.
Of course, they took that to the press, and it was on the front page. When they had to retract it the
next day, it appeared on the back. That is the way the Liberals work in this House. They like to
sensationalize headlines. When they are wrong, and when they find out they are wrong, they like
to minimize it and put it on the back page. It is certainly this government’s opportunity that the
reforms we put forward on auto insurance work. Auto insurance is certainly different from house
insurance.
M. Landry : Je voudrais savoir si les chiffres dont on a parlé au réseau anglais de Radio-Canada,
avec M. Jones, sont les mêmes que ceux du ministre. Si oui, j’aimerais qu’il les dépose pour qu’on
puisse, nous aussi, les vérifier.
Hon. Mr. Fitch: I am sorry, the translation was a little muffled. Is he asking me to table the research
that they bought, and that they put forward in the press? From the standpoint of some of the reforms
we did. . . We have an insurance advocate whose name is Mr. Godin. If people have issues with
insurance, they can contact Mr. Godin. The way the New Brunswick Insurance Board is structured
means that it can have the opportunity and direction to also be able to look at house insurance.
We have to remember that auto insurance is mandatory here in the province of New Brunswick;
however, purchasing house insurance is not. A lot of people who deal with banks or trust companies
are required to, but it is not mandatory, nor does it have the reforms associated with auto insurance.
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When it comes to sincerity, we, on this side of the House, are truly sincere in making sure that the
people of New Brunswick have the . . . We ensure the protection of the public interest. The sincerity
on the other side of the House . . .
Mr. Speaker: Minister.
Tourism
Mr. R. Boudreau: My questions this morning are for the Minister of Tourism and Parks. In the last
few years, the tourism marketing budget was reduced significantly by this government, from an
estimated $11.5 million in 2002-03, to $9.5 million in 2004-05. This represents a $2-million
reduction. When we look at the 2006-07 main estimates, we see that $10.5 million has been
allocated to the marketing division. Are we correct in believing that the government has not invested
new money in the marketing budget, but has only put back half the money it took away in 2002-03?
Hon. Mrs. M Alpine-Stiles: It is indeed a joy for me ac to stand in the House and talk about tourism
in this province. The tourism industry is probably one of the fastest growing industries that we have
in the province. We have a tremendous market, and a tremendous group of individuals who are
proud to be part of this industry. The government of New Brunswick has invested in tourism. We
believe in the tourism industry. The marketing budget of the Department of Tourism and Parks is
done in such a way that we maximise the dollars we receive from government. We maximise the
partnerships we have with the federal government.
A very good example is the partnership we have with ACOA, and the $8 million that was just
announced on Saturday for the Fundy Trail. This shows the province of New Brunswick, and the
country, exactly what New Brunswick is about, and all we have to offer. I am very, very happy
about the new partnership with the federal government, and I look forward to our relationship and
more great news to come. Those partnerships and marketing dollars are going to put us on the map.
Thank you.
Mr. R. Boudreau: My second question to the minister is about the budget. I certainly cannot
support this budget. For one thing, when we talk about parks and so on and so forth, we see that
there is nothing in the budget for northern New Brunswick. The Restigouche River, Chaleur Bay,
Sugarloaf Provincial Park—there is nothing there. Why, Madam Minister?
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Hon. Mrs. MacAlpine-Stiles: I find it quite appalling that the member opposite would say that there
is nothing in the budget for northern New Brunswick. Northern New Brunswick is a very integral
and important part of the tourism scheme of the province. All you have to do is talk to tourists who
come to the province, as the member opposite must know. He must recognize the wealth and the
opportunities that are in the north. I can tell you that the Department of Tourism and Parks promotes
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the north heavily in all of its tourism brochures and marketing schemes. The proof has been shown
that, indeed, that marketing has worked. Tourists are coming to the province and are enjoying the
northern part of the province. I can assure the member opposite that the parks and all that New
Brunswick has to offer are world-renowned, and they continue to be on the map. New Brunswick
is growing, the tourism industry is growing, and we are making a name for ourselves in Europe, in
Germany, and in the United States. I am more than pleased that we are doing what we need to do
for the tourism industry, and we will continue to work with our federal counterparts to promote the
province of New Brunswick.
Mr. R. Boudreau: This budget is about politics and not people. As a point in question, I have here
a flyer that has been sent throughout the province of New Brunswick. We talk about northern New
Brunswick and all of the money that is being spent, but let me take you on a little trip through there.
First, there is a picture that says “Near Campbellton”. The picture was taken near Mount Carleton,
40 miles away. Second, they talk about festivals in there. Nowhere is there mention of the festival
in Campbellton, the Winterfest, that is held every year.
That is not too bad. However, the third one, since you spent so much money . . . I wonder if the
minister can explain to me and to the people of my riding why, in a winter program, they say:
Looking for the ultimate sledding experience? Take the kids on an alpine slide at Sugarloaf
Provincial Park.
The alpine slides are a summer activity, and they are closed in the wintertime. How could you allow
such an abomination to happen?
Hon. Mrs. MacAlpine-Stiles: I would ask the member opposite to table that. I would like to have
a look at that. I can assure the member opposite . . .
(Interjections.)
Hon. Mrs. MacAlpine-Stiles: Mr. Speaker, could I have some decorum? I do not heckle them when
they have something to say.
Mr. Speaker: Order.
Hon. Mrs. MacAlpine-Stiles: I would appreciate the same respect in this House. I never heckle
anyone on the other side. I would appreciate having a chance to speak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Great Northern Odyssey, the White Gold program—all that has happened primarily in the north
of the province, this year, especially . . . Because of the fact that the snow was in the north of the
province, there were tremendous opportunities, and there was tremendous growth in that industry
in the north. For obvious reasons, people migrated there to do snowmobiling and other winter
activities.
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I will take a look at that brochure. I am sure that if it was, it was a typo on somebody’s part. I can
tell you that I have great faith in the marketing division of the Department of Tourism and Parks.
They are an excellent staff who do a tremendous job. I would stand by them and stand up for them
on any occasion, because I know the great work they do and I know that they are dedicated to the
tourism industry and to marketing this great province.
Energy Conservation
Mr. Burke: The Premier and his ministers have been making many promises on the energy file,
some that may look good at face value, but like all of this government’s political spin, the devil is
in the details. Just on Friday, the Globe and Mail published a story saying that the federal
Conservative government has “abruptly stopped funding groups across the country that have been
promoting the One-Tonne Challenge”. There are concerns that this may have an impact on the
funding to the New Brunswick EnerGuide Program, which home grades will be based upon. Can
the Minister of Environment confirm whether these provincial governments will be affected by the
new federal government’s plans to scrap funding?
Hon. Mr. Holder: I am not aware of any federal government decision to scrap funding. I will take
that under advisement and report back to the House, but I can assure the member opposite that we
are going to fight as hard as we can to make sure that New Brunswick always gets its fair share. We
will work with the federal government. We have a great relationship, as we have said many times.
We are going to work with the federal government. We are very much committed to our Five in Five
initiatives. Our new Efficiency NB program is very much a part of that, and it will continue to be
a part of that. I really believe that we are going to look back 20 years from now and see that
Efficiency NB is a legacy of this government.
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Mr. Burke: I do not question the sincerity of the Minister of Environment or the veracity of his
comments here this morning when he says that he will check into this. The announcement was made
on Friday, so I would appreciate it if the minister could report back to the House with an answer to
my previous question.
This is my second question. I quote the Globe and Mail again: The Conservatives are also reviewing
roughly 100 other climate change programs set up by the previous Liberal government. My concern
is that the announcement on home energy upgrades, and the more recent announcement on energy
efficiency, are just another example of napkin politics for this government. What I mean is that they
are seeking to gain political points based on weekend dinners, written on the back of napkins,
without any long-term vision policy. My question to the Minister of Energy this morning is this:
Who did you consult before making these policy choices on the impact of the review by your federal
partners? Will these reviews negatively impact on any of your recent announcements?
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Hon. Mr. Holder: The member said the Minister of Energy, but I assume the question is directed
to me. I do not want anybody to think for a minute that Efficiency NB is going to be window
dressing. We are very serious about this. We are very serious about getting energy consumption
under control in this province. We believed that right from day one, from the time we set up this
commission. We are going to continue to do that, and we are not window dressing this for any
purpose. I can assure the member opposite that we are going to continue to make this work and we
are going to continue to put some legs under this.
Prescription Drug Program
Mr. Branch: I have a question for the minister in charge of the drug program for senior citizens.
Many senior citizens are complaining to me about the price of prescriptions going from $2 to
approximately $9. Can the minister give us an outline of why this is taking place?
Hon. Mr. Green: The government of the province, through the Department of Health, makes
substantial investments each and every year in our Prescription Drug Program. As a matter of fact,
it is the single fastest-growing component of the health budget in this province. We have listed on
the drug formulary, just since we took office in 1999, over 225 additional medications. We do
everything we can to make certain that the Prescription Drug Program remains as affordable as
possible. That is why we keep co-payments as low as possible. We will continue to do that.
Mr. Branch: I certainly see this as a really serious problem for senior citizens who are struggling
to meet ever-increasing costs in all facets of their lives. As the cost under the drug program increases
from $2 to $9, it poses a sincere hardship, because these people really need these drugs for whatever
sickness they have. Could the minister not revise this for our seniors? They are the people who built
this province, and we are the inheritors of what they have done. Can you take that back to your
Cabinet colleagues and make a stronger pitch for the seniors of New Brunswick?
Hon. Mr. Green: I am not entirely clear on where the member opposite has derived his numbers
when he suggests an increase from $2 to $9 per prescription. I will come back to the member
opposite to try to answer his question in more detail. I can say that not only do we keep costs to a
minimum for the Prescription Drug Program, there is also a cap, a maximum that each senior is
expected to pay over the course of a year. That also helps to keep the program very affordable.
Again, it is the fastest growing component of our budget, and is more than double just since 1999.
We will continue making investments in the Prescription Drug Program to expand the formulary and
to improve service to our seniors and to those who live on small incomes.
Mr. Speaker: That is the end of question period.