I not a history know it all so I asked someone this weekend this question?
Why and how did the Jews return to the Middle East?
I didn’t know this but from what I’m told the Jews arrive in that area in the 1920s.
They came in small groups.
After the Second World War The British and the Americans help give birth to the Nation of Israel.
I’m not a professional but I’m trying to figure out the mentally of the people in that part of the world.
I was told that the Jews return to that area for the first time in 2,000 years.
Now? Can you imagine the Acadians returning to Nova Scotia and tell Nova Scotians that this is our land since we own it 250 years ago?
I don’t believe it would go too well.
The question is this?
Can you blame the people in that area to be upset?
Today’s generations are hearing stories from their elders of the way the Jews force them into concentration camps ever since they return to the middle after being absent for over 2,000 years.
This is a very touchy issue and I don’t know the whole details but why did the powerful Nations help the Jews to return to that area after being absent for 2,000 years???
This is only the year 2006 and I’m certain the hate is still there.
Israel is only 56 years old.
So? War is not the answer but what else can they do?
The Jews with the help of the United States have very powerful weapons.
Who can blame the people in that area to be upset against the Jewish population in Israel after what happen?
Would you be upset if you were in their shoes?
I sure would!
God knows what’s going to happen next?
May God have mercy on that part of the world during the next few weeks!
Sunday, July 16, 2006
IS WAR AGAINST ISRAEL JUSTIFIED????
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U.S and Europe wanted to get rid of Jews from the west and carved a country in the Middle East. It has not been peaceful in the area since. Israel is more of a satellite of U.S in Middle East that is why all that support. Now they have Harpie to help too.
Read the Bible for a good history lesson on Israel. Take it as you will but the return of Israel as a nation is propehsized in there. No race has ever been hated more in the History of the World than the Jews (think Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Rome, Hitler's Germany). These days there's a lot of hatred in the Arab world against the Jews but that's gone on for thousands of years right back to Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac. It's hardly new. A quick read of the Book of Revelation will show you that is not going to change. The area is a powder keg which is why any time anything happens in Israel it always becomes international news. It is not a big country. More Jews live in New York City than all of Israel but it is important in the grand scheme of things.
Israelis are doing the same to Palestinians what German did to Jews. It has concentration camps for Palestinians and that is what the current war is about.
Shouldn't that say 'is war against palestine justified?'
Eight people holding Canadian citizenship have been killed in an Israeli air strike in Lebanon, and six others are injured, according to Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay.
CTV.ca News Staff
Israel is butchering people both in Gaza and Lebanon. U.S is doing that in Iraq.
It sounds like you haven't studied the history of the Middle East. I suggest you obtain Michael Medved's tapes on Jewish history. You should also consider learning some basic grammer and writing skills.
Hey 4:14 PM??? I noticed this blog attracted a lot of attention from around the world.
Comments came in minutes from posting.
Just wish to let ya know that I'm an Acadian from New Brunswick Canada.
It's located east of Maine U.S.A.!
Being a Acadian I write like I talk?
BACKWARD!!!!!
You got the drift of my blog so my grammar wasn't that bad!!!! :P
Sure pissed me off when someone wich to discredit a person views because of his'she bad grammar!!!
sighhhhhhhh......
Hello Charles. This is a very contentious issue. With respect, I find your comments on the Middle East situation riddled with dangerous ignorance and absolute lack of balance. Your brief history of the founding of the modern state of Israel ignores one major dominant fact; in 1948 the world was still reeling from the shock of the revelations of the nazi holocaust. Even as a neutral how could any human being be so heartless as to not recognize that fact. A man I knew who died here in England a few years ago had lost every single one of his family in Germany when he was 12 years old. Can you imagine that? Grand-parents, parents, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters.
Charles, if you are going to be a political commentator please introduce some balance. There are two sides to every story. Thank you for reading this.
It is sad that Israel is behaving like Nazis and has full support of Bush and now Harper. It looks these are the only two world leaders who support Israel’s aggression.
Thanks for the comment 4:31 PM...This is the reason I blogged the story and I'm just looking at it from the other side?
Comments like yours are very well welcome....
4:49 it is sad what happened to your friend and lost his whole family. It should have not bee allowed to happen. However, that does not justify the actions of Israelis as they have their concentrations camps for Palestinians and continue to butcher Arabs because Israelis can do so as they have arsenal from Americans.
If Israel and Palestine cannot co-exist then the UN should declare the area an International Protectorate!
Both the Christian and Muslim faiths claim the area so why not remove the main stumbling block of CONTROL and make it an International Protectorate where all can go and freely worhsip their respective Gods in peace and harmony. History sucks!
An International solution where neither offending party holds the reigns of power would negate the need for fighting!
All this killing in the name of GOD is Bullsh*t! Christian, Muslim I don't care what you call it. Murder is Murder!
There is no moral high ground here! You will all pay the ultimate price when you cross over to the Great Beyond! I think you will find that those who kill innocent people in the name of God will discover the hard way that God did not put us on this planet to kill each other!
9:36 agree with you. It is incredible what people do in the name of God and crimes they committ. God is suppose be kind and caring.
In the name of God killing of children, women and other innocent people will continue in Gaza and Lebanon. Every time someone sneezes in Israel tanks go into Gaza to kill more. Some service to God by Israel and their religious supporter Bush.
Times & Transcript | Opinion - As published on page D6 on July 17, 2006
Letters
To The Editor:
You know you're wrong when.
Harper calls the Israeli response measured? It's perfectly okay to kill 61 people and injure hundreds more in response to the kidnapping of three soldiers? I mean even Bush is thinking this is excessive.
This not only calls into question our policies on Israel but our supposed peace mission in Afghanistan. To put this in perspective this is like Britain declaring war on Canada for the kidnapping of Cross by the FLQ. It is a ridiculous over-reaction by a country that seems hell-bent on fighting with someone. It is this continued policy of insane over-reaction and blaming entire countries for the actions of a few lunatics that makes one question whether Israel is even capable of peace.
Here is a thought, instead of making enemies of thousands by blowing up schools and businesses in Lebanon and in Palestine, why don't you try seeding some capital and building bridges so the locals don't feel compelled to shelter their nut-cases? So far the 60 years of making friends with fear policy has not done much in the way of making peace.
I am not anti-Semitic in any way but I really think it is time that the United Nations declared that Israel has lost the right to govern and we set up two states one for Israel and one for Palestine and manage them internationally until neither side has weapons. If they want to knife or throw rocks at each other well so be it. But enough is enough.
And Mr. Harper, a measured response is to capture three members of the Hezbollah without not creating hundreds of casualties.
Rick Fry,
Moncton
Charles,
Some of your readers are showing too little knowledge about what's going on in Israel to really say much. 3 soldiers may not seem like much, but the numbers add up with each terrorist attack. Who the hell do they think all the suicide bombers are going after when they mine themselves week after week and sit in a Israelite bus, or walk in a Isrealite shopping mall?? It may have been 3 soldiers this time, but stuff like that happens all the time in Israel.
The Oslo Accord signed by Rabin, Arafat and moderated by Clinton was signed in '93 and was a trade-off: Israel gives up some land, PLO - now PA (Palestinian Authority) - agrees to order stop to terrorist attacks. Israel fullfilled ALL of its promises, the PA absolutely none. And it was Israel that was dragged into this, not Arafat and the PA. The PA want the land at any cost, and in any way. If the Arabs really cared about the loss of human life, they woulda helped resettle some its Lebanese residents after the Israelite occupation.
Palestinian children are taught from birth and then in school that Israel has no right exist. PA public television (its CBC or PBS) is full of this stuff. Think about what that means for a minute. This is Nazi ideology. This isn't Bush-Putin, or Reagan-Gorbachev, or even like IRA stuff. Israel is their enemy, period! Israel isn't their enemy because they blow up Hezbollah or whatever. Israel is their enemy because they were given a Jewish state in Palestine after the Holocaust by the U.N. awarded, to prevent another one from happening. And the PA want its land back come hell or high water.
It may look like I'm taking sides but I'm not. Israel has bullied and been brutal in retaliation at times. But the PA won't negotiate in good faith. Israel has negotiated in good faith because she DO want peace. Israel is a democracy and values individual life, liberty & peace like we do here in America. Unfortunately, their Arab neighbors tolerate too many groups and factions that don't. Sad thing is, they're ALL Abraham's children in the flesh.
Charles,
Some of your readers are showing too little knowledge about what's going on in Israel to really say much. 3 soldiers may not seem like much, but the numbers add up with each terrorist attack. Who the hell do they think all the suicide bombers are going after when they mine themselves week after week and sit in a Israelite bus, or walk in a Isrealite shopping mall?? It may have been 3 soldiers this time, but stuff like that happens all the time in Israel.
The Oslo Accord signed by Rabin, Arafat and moderated by Clinton was signed in '93 and was a trade-off: Israel gives up some land, PLO - now PA (Palestinian Authority) - agrees to order stop to terrorist attacks. Israel fullfilled ALL of its promises, the PA absolutely none. And it was Israel that was dragged into this, not Arafat and the PA. The PA want the land at any cost, and in any way. If the Arabs really cared about the loss of human life, they woulda helped resettle some its Lebanese residents after the Israelite occupation.
Palestinian children are taught from birth and then in school that Israel has no right exist. PA public television (its CBC or PBS) is full of this stuff. Think about what that means for a minute. This is Nazi ideology. This isn't Bush-Putin, or Reagan-Gorbachev, or even like IRA stuff. Israel is their enemy, period! Israel isn't their enemy because they blow up Hezbollah or whatever. Israel is their enemy because they were given a Jewish state in Palestine after the Holocaust by the U.N. awarded, to prevent another one from happening. And the PA want its land back come hell or high water.
It may look like I'm taking sides but I'm not. Israel has bullied and been brutal in retaliation at times. But the PA won't negotiate in good faith. Israel has negotiated in good faith because she DO want peace. Israel is a democracy and values individual life, liberty & peace like we do here in America. Unfortunately, their Arab neighbors tolerate too many groups and factions that don't. Sad thing is, they're ALL Abraham's children in the flesh.
-shalom from cousin raincheck (you can post this on your blog)
Shalom cousin. Israel has been carrying on atrocities from the day of its inception against Palestinians. Millions were rendered homeless overnight. Not much has changed. Israel does not want to negotiate in good faith. It wants total dominance in the region through killing and fear tactics.
If Hitler carried out genocide then that does not mean Israelis should do the same to Palestinians and Arabs in general.
From the cousin who believes in fairnes.
well isreal was fabricated by the socall power countries and the reason thefor them not doing anything about it is that the jews own most industries in their countries so they are the keyholder and have the money which talk
Shalom to my fairness cousin,
Once again I suggest you do some research on the conflict, and the history of the mid-east.
You make it sound like the poor Palestinians are all wearing the white hats.
It's an incredibly complicated situation...both sides are wearing black hats!
Nevertheless, Israel doesn't want "total dominition" as you claim.
They're trying to protect what is now their homeland as any country would.
But their enemies want to see them DESTROYED, not merely subdued or defeated.
In this specefic battle, the Hezbollah group crossed the border to kidnap some soldiers and kill 8 Israelis.
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said this was part of a 5-month plan "to kidnap soldiers in order to exchange prisoners."
Well, hell-OO!! The result is predictable.
Israel responded with massive, disproportionate force.
What about Iran's militant leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
His motivation is his hope that every battle could be THE precursor to his apocalyptic vision of a world-wide destruction paving the way for the return of the Hidden Imam and subsequent global salvation.
We can also mention the Islamic Hamas, and the Syrian Bashar al-Assad.
All the groups have in the charters the official liquidation of Israel.
And none of them care a whit about the millions rendered homeless because it's all part of a holy war. From our side, we look at the death and suffering and cruelty with horror.
We think they're nuts.
But they don't... the Palestinian Authority proclaims such death as glorious martyrdom.
Israel however doesn't do the suicide-bomb thing.
These guys are enemies not just opponents.
And they both have stories of atrocity to tell.
This isn't like Charlie being banned from the legislature cuz he's a rascally rascal:)
You make some good points, cousin.
Violence in any form and loss of innocent life is wrong.
Palestinian land was taken to carve out Israel and that is why that anger is there.
My knowledge of boundaries between current Israel and proposed Palestinian state is not that good but I understand that Palestinian want Jerusalem as part of Palestinian State.
Again I do not remember dates well but in 1967 war Israel took over lot of Palestinian territory including Jerusalem which it refuses to return in exchange for recognition of Israel and creation of Palestinian state.
Lot of other land which was taken 1967 is still under Jewish settlements. Is that not the bone of contention right now?
As far as Lebanese group taking 2 soldiers as prisoners is simply to get thousands of their prisoners released. It applies to Gaza too as there are thousands of Palestinians in Israeli prison.
Their demands are justified although tactics are not as it brought out all that violence.
Also media reports suggest that Israel has been preparing for this aggression for last 10 years or so to maintain its dominance in the region and destroy any opposition.
Israel wants to solve all the issues through aggression and dominance. There must be fairness and it is hoped there will be peace.
That's crazy to say that Palestinians claim that Israel has no right to exist.
There are thousands of palestinians rotting in Israeli jails. To kidnap THREE people is pretty mild compared to Israeli aggression. Of course they don't use suicide bombers, they don't need to, because they have actual bombers who have killed thousands of palestinians.
As for negotiation, that's crazy to say that Palestine won't negotiate, they've been trying for years.
If you look at the history of mossad I wouldn't be surprised if the Isreali secret police kidnapped these Israeli soldiers just to pin it on palestine. If you don't think so, you clearly don't know much about mossad.
Just because SOME palestinians say Israeli has no right to exist means nothing. Take a look at some of the wacky opinions of canadians, that doesn't mean anything about government policy. If you think the government of a state which is barely existing has as a central theme the destruction of the other party that is besides the point. Jews in the second world war weren't talking about the destruction of Germany, they were just trying to stay alive.
This isn't anti semitica at all, because Israelis have no control over their government, which has the biggest per capita military in the world. Even Israelis aren't safe from their own government. It's a police state just as much as any islamic one.
As for Iran, its always amusing to hear people talk about it, people who usually couldn't find it on a map two years ago. The ONLY government pushing the world toward annihilation is THE UNITED STATES.
Go read actual american publications like 'foreign policy review', there are easily at least HALF of americans that know this as well as anybody and there are organizations attempting to impeach bush, and others trying to make him stand trial.
Israel is a branch office of the american government, it is their 'enforcer' in the area. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was just to get the news off of Iraq.
Britain had been pushing for the creation of a Jewish state since WW1, partly to get rid of their own Jewish population and therefore be less of an offence to Eastern Europe, which had a strong anti-semitic current at the time. After WW2, a UN Partition Plan was drafted to create a Jewish State, giving them about 45% of Palestine and uprooting about 726,000 Palestinians.
Britain and The U.S. both backed the plan; the Arab nations surrounding Palestine refused it, and left their 726,000 exiles on their own. No funding, no import projects, nothing.
Two more things hurt the Arab position:
1) for years their main supporter were Germany and other Axis powers that were now in ruins;
2) even though Arabs controlled Palestine for most of the previous 1400 years, it remained a ghetto. Nobody cared too much about it until Jewish immigrants began developing parts of it around 1890 or so.
So three days after the UN Partition Plan was ratified, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia all declared war on Israel.
Less than a year later, armistice was declared and Israel had gained over 50% more territory than originally allotted.
In 1967, Egypt foolishly played a game of chicken with Israel and had its whole air force destroyed in 6 days, and most of the rest of Palestine was conquered.
During hostilities, to the victor belong the spoils.
It's lousy, but legal according to International Law.
There was also the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel in the middle of the Jewish Day of Atonement, the holiest day of their year (something like us being attacked during Christmas Day, the one day where almost everything is shut down).
The Oslo Declaration of Principles in 1993 was the great peace breakthrough hoped for.
Although Israel did fulfill its promise to cede 42% of its territory for Palestinian State, the PA failed in its promise to officially recognize Israel's right to exist. So due to mistrust, Israel never stopped its settlement developments, and the Palestinian underground terror groups claimed this as enough provocation to not cease their attacks.
So since that time, the terrorists snipe away.
A laundromat here, a restaurant there, a hospital wing here, a bus station there, the WTC's one time, a London subway another.
And every now and then, Israel hits back hard, much harder than it has to.
In my opinion, the Palestinian Authority's lack of respect for their own people's lives is a bigger detriment to peace than Israel's neighborhood bully retaliations.
But I understand that to some that may like saying Export A smokes are more dangerous than Player's.
And the land remains stained with blood.
-cousin raincheck
Cousin raincheck, Your analysis has merits. However, Palestinians use suicidal mission because they do not have U.S supplied war arsenal which Israel has. Since the inception of Israel, Israelis kill more Palestinians and other Arabs in a day than suicidal bombers could do in months or years. Nonetheless violence is wrong in any shape or form.
Please do read Gwen Dyer’s column in yesterday’s Telegraph. He does a good job pointing out that Israel can never have peace by using force against Arabs especially when state of Israel is surrounded by Arab states.
Israel says it is trying to free their captured soldiers. Now it has lost close to twenty soldiers in the process and many civilians. Hundreds of Lebanese have been killed. Would diplomacy have not been a better choice?
Only way there will be peace in that region when Israel gives up ambitions to be dominant and all the pre-1967 lands are returned to Palestinians and Palestinian state is established. All this killing is senseless.
Cousin fairness
Just because five governments acted in tandem on a few occasions doesn't mean they share the same position. What do you think was going on all through the eighties? Iran and Iraq had been trying to kill each other for decades.
That's like saying there is a 'christian position',which in politics is ludicrous. As is the claim that declaring war and wiping out people is "lousy but legal under international law". If that were the case I could declare war on my neighbour and shoot him (not that I want to) and say 'it's all legal under international law'.
That it 'remained a ghetto' for 1400 years is wrong, read some history. Lots of people 'cared about it', namely the ones who lived there.
People make a big deal about 'recognizing Israel', which is meaningless. Many mohawks do not 'recognize' Canada as a legitimate nation, does that mean anything to anybody? In 1977 Eygpts Prime Minister spoke before the Israeli government, a clear sign that they were 'recognized'.
What most people don't realize is that this was as much an american-russian war as anything else. The US didn't want the area to fall under the sway of the USSR, most of those arab countries were closely aligned with the soviet union. That stopped in many of the countries at the time of the Camp David Accord, which had arab countries recognizing Israel as early as 1977.
As for throwing stones, we can remember that Israel sank the USS Liberty, an american military vessel that had documented Israeli war crimes during the six days war.
Israel has always been a tool of the west to keep control in the area, however, they do act autonomously sometimes. Even in this case they had to wait for US approval to continue hostilities.
That's completely insane to say that Palestine's own government is the danger-not the people shooting at them. That is beyond the craziest thing I've ever heard. Palestine's governments position was well known before the election before it was swept into power by the voters of palestine.
Of course there are people who will argue that it was really Guatemalans fault for the american planes that bombed them, or Grenada, or Nicaragua. People like to pick on the powerless.
If the intention is to say its quite right that Israeli should blow the accord and keep setting up settlements because they didn't like the wording in the accord, that's also silly. As said, acceptance of Israel came as early as 1978, in fact it was offered as early as 1972-something nobody talks about but is very common knowledge, just go look it up.
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