Sunday, July 03, 2005
Saturday, July 02, 2005
LET THOSE IRVING EMPLOYEES AT CITY HALL KNOW----
PLS GO TO- www.cityofsaintjohn.com & click on 'city hall' & from there you can find the mayor norm McIrving & council's e-mail address's. pls use them to voice your hopefully disgust with the LNG disgrace.ty.
CHARLES SURRENDERS!!!!!!
P.S. Do me a favour and send out this blog site to all the people on your email list! Hey? Anyway to spread the word.
If you don’t wish to read a long winded blog? Well, You might as well delete this one
right now because I missed out on a lot of good story
during the last 72 hours and of course, many of them
are from my visit to Memramcook!
Speaking of Memramcook?
Do you remember the tragedy that happen in Cap Bimet on April 6th 2003?????? It was the fatal accident that happen in Shediac were a bus driver ran over a young child.
The inquest will begin next week and I had a long emotional chat with the Father.
He told me many interesting stories or concerns about the kids taking the bus.
One interesting point is the style of the bus.
When a child walks in front the bus? The driver can’t see the child and this is what happen in this case.
The buses should be like the Transit buses in the City.
He also added that 4 months after his young son died? The same action happened in Quebec.
He wondered how many other accidents happened across Canada??? Good question!
He told me that he was told it would take 10 years for the Government to act.
I quickly replied - Hey? I know all about it because I have been waiting
7 years for a study done on Ritalin.
Bernard Lord told New Brunswickers that a study is totally out of the question therefore the drugging and killing of our children will continue till October 15, 2007!
Too bad so sad!
Ok Charles! Calm down!
I’m getting old because many people knew me in Memramcook but I didn’t know their names.
It was just terrible but it was nice to see that I haven’t been forgotten!!! < I don’t know if this is a good or bad thing? >..lol…
I gave my Uncle and Aunt a certificate from Abel Leblanc and Shawn Graham.
I would have also added Bernard Lord but I didn’t wish to ruin their 50TH Anniversary!
While in Saint John, I found out that the price of Dilaudid is at all time low!
What I mean by low is that they’re cheap to buy!
A pill with 30 mgr would have gone for 60 to 80 dollars
a few months ago.
These days, the junkie can get the same pill for 20 dollars.
The reason is that there’s so many prescription drug on the streets that the dealers are fighting for these addicted souls!
Question?
Where are the pills coming from anyway?
Can someone answer me that question?
Thank you!!!
I had a chat with a teenager who don’t take heavy drug! He smokes marijuana and what he told me was very scary.
He told me that he knows around 100 kids and 95% of them smokes marijuana!
He also added that maybe 50% use prescription drug such as Ritalin < snots it > and go on to higher drugs!
You can just imagine what kind of mentally our next generation are going to be like?
Does the Bernard Lord Government care of this issue?
Of course not!
We need a Methadone clinic right in the centre of the City in Saint John so these young people can receive some help!
I am so happy that I’m a drunk and not a druggie or junkie!!!
What a life these poor souls have to go through!
Fredericton has 65 people on methadone while over 100 are on the waiting list! While they wait?
They will commit major crime spree to support their habit!
Many of them will commit suicide!!
What I find funny is that the Government will charge you if you get caught with one joint of Marijuana but in return they will encourage the parents to drug their children with prescription drug!
Excuse moi??? What’s wrong with this picture anyway?
Please make me understand????
It’s bad enough that once these kids reach into adulthood?
They will commit suicide especially those kids with ADHD who are labelled as idiots and stupid by fellow students because they are force on Ritalin.
Once they reach in the late teens?
They will be told by the Government that they are not allowed to learn a trade or drive a vehicle.
These orders are from those Irving employees from the New Brunswick Human Rights Commission.
They told the Government that adults taking Ritalin are close to mental Retardation.
You know what? I wonder if I should get a blowhorn and spent some of my days in front of the Legislature and in the front building of those racist members of the New Brunswick Human Rights!
I would love to know how did a convicted thief like Carl White got appointed to this Commission????
Carl White is the black guy!!
We need to screen these racist members of the Commission!
Have you noticed that the Nova Scotia Human Rights Commission takes all kinds of cases but these racists don’t take any!
They even agreed with the Irvings that every niggers or frogs should be hung by the Irving trees!
Am I far off the mark? You tell me?
Speaking of the Irvings?
These Irvings employees were all at the Legislature last week and what a well dedicated bunch they are!
Trust me! I tried my utmost to have one of them assault me but it never happen!
I saw Bob McVicar in the crowd and in a Hitler salute - I said- Hey Bob? Did you dedicate your life and soul to the Irving Empire???
Many of them in their fancy suits stared at me but said nothing.
Here's another guy who was there but totally ignored me! His name is Mel Vincent Jr...
During lunch time, all these employees marched like good Irvings soldiers at the BeaverBrook to enjoy a nice hot meal.
Hey? The protesters against this LNG couldn’t afford this high class meal.
They went at Tim Horton.
The protesters against the LNG deal were forced in the gallery to watch the proceedings.
The supporters of the LNG deal were told that they could watch the debate downstair in the Cafeteria! < In the afternoon >
My God? The week before the commissionaire told a mother and daughter that there were no food in the Cafeteria! What’s wrong with this picture anyway?
Once downstairs, I once again tried to get someone going but to no avail.
I even pointed at the television and told these Irving’s employees that the people around Brenda Fowlie and said- Once she’s gone? Those people will stay there! I wonder how much money did the irvings pay these people? These are the bureaucrats who are appointed for life!!!
I had one Irving employee who approach me and said - Hey? What’s your problem anyway? You used to work for the Irvings!
I quickly replied- hey? When you have a racist supervisor who say that no niggers or frogs should be allowed to work within the Empire and he’s supported by a Billionaire?
I do have a problem with this!
I noticed a black bureaucrat standing by and he heard me but he never said a whisper!
I left before the hearings ended because these high class people were driving me nuts!
Oppppsss I forgot my surrender story!
For the last 40 years, I have never wore any shorts.
Even when I travelled across Canada and the U.S.A. on my ten speed bicycle. I never wore any shorts!
Well? I surrender because it’s just too darn hot in the Capital.
Many citizens don’t recognize me without a hat and shorts on.
I must tell you that my legs are as white as snow but what can a person do?
It’s just too darn hot.
Please excuse the style and grammar of this blog because I just write the darn thing and send it along the information Highway!!!
Bye bye
If you don’t wish to read a long winded blog? Well, You might as well delete this one
right now because I missed out on a lot of good story
during the last 72 hours and of course, many of them
are from my visit to Memramcook!
Speaking of Memramcook?
Do you remember the tragedy that happen in Cap Bimet on April 6th 2003?????? It was the fatal accident that happen in Shediac were a bus driver ran over a young child.
The inquest will begin next week and I had a long emotional chat with the Father.
He told me many interesting stories or concerns about the kids taking the bus.
One interesting point is the style of the bus.
When a child walks in front the bus? The driver can’t see the child and this is what happen in this case.
The buses should be like the Transit buses in the City.
He also added that 4 months after his young son died? The same action happened in Quebec.
He wondered how many other accidents happened across Canada??? Good question!
He told me that he was told it would take 10 years for the Government to act.
I quickly replied - Hey? I know all about it because I have been waiting
7 years for a study done on Ritalin.
Bernard Lord told New Brunswickers that a study is totally out of the question therefore the drugging and killing of our children will continue till October 15, 2007!
Too bad so sad!
Ok Charles! Calm down!
I’m getting old because many people knew me in Memramcook but I didn’t know their names.
It was just terrible but it was nice to see that I haven’t been forgotten!!! < I don’t know if this is a good or bad thing? >..lol…
I gave my Uncle and Aunt a certificate from Abel Leblanc and Shawn Graham.
I would have also added Bernard Lord but I didn’t wish to ruin their 50TH Anniversary!
While in Saint John, I found out that the price of Dilaudid is at all time low!
What I mean by low is that they’re cheap to buy!
A pill with 30 mgr would have gone for 60 to 80 dollars
a few months ago.
These days, the junkie can get the same pill for 20 dollars.
The reason is that there’s so many prescription drug on the streets that the dealers are fighting for these addicted souls!
Question?
Where are the pills coming from anyway?
Can someone answer me that question?
Thank you!!!
I had a chat with a teenager who don’t take heavy drug! He smokes marijuana and what he told me was very scary.
He told me that he knows around 100 kids and 95% of them smokes marijuana!
He also added that maybe 50% use prescription drug such as Ritalin < snots it > and go on to higher drugs!
You can just imagine what kind of mentally our next generation are going to be like?
Does the Bernard Lord Government care of this issue?
Of course not!
We need a Methadone clinic right in the centre of the City in Saint John so these young people can receive some help!
I am so happy that I’m a drunk and not a druggie or junkie!!!
What a life these poor souls have to go through!
Fredericton has 65 people on methadone while over 100 are on the waiting list! While they wait?
They will commit major crime spree to support their habit!
Many of them will commit suicide!!
What I find funny is that the Government will charge you if you get caught with one joint of Marijuana but in return they will encourage the parents to drug their children with prescription drug!
Excuse moi??? What’s wrong with this picture anyway?
Please make me understand????
It’s bad enough that once these kids reach into adulthood?
They will commit suicide especially those kids with ADHD who are labelled as idiots and stupid by fellow students because they are force on Ritalin.
Once they reach in the late teens?
They will be told by the Government that they are not allowed to learn a trade or drive a vehicle.
These orders are from those Irving employees from the New Brunswick Human Rights Commission.
They told the Government that adults taking Ritalin are close to mental Retardation.
You know what? I wonder if I should get a blowhorn and spent some of my days in front of the Legislature and in the front building of those racist members of the New Brunswick Human Rights!
I would love to know how did a convicted thief like Carl White got appointed to this Commission????
Carl White is the black guy!!
We need to screen these racist members of the Commission!
Have you noticed that the Nova Scotia Human Rights Commission takes all kinds of cases but these racists don’t take any!
They even agreed with the Irvings that every niggers or frogs should be hung by the Irving trees!
Am I far off the mark? You tell me?
Speaking of the Irvings?
These Irvings employees were all at the Legislature last week and what a well dedicated bunch they are!
Trust me! I tried my utmost to have one of them assault me but it never happen!
I saw Bob McVicar in the crowd and in a Hitler salute - I said- Hey Bob? Did you dedicate your life and soul to the Irving Empire???
Many of them in their fancy suits stared at me but said nothing.
Here's another guy who was there but totally ignored me! His name is Mel Vincent Jr...
During lunch time, all these employees marched like good Irvings soldiers at the BeaverBrook to enjoy a nice hot meal.
Hey? The protesters against this LNG couldn’t afford this high class meal.
They went at Tim Horton.
The protesters against the LNG deal were forced in the gallery to watch the proceedings.
The supporters of the LNG deal were told that they could watch the debate downstair in the Cafeteria! < In the afternoon >
My God? The week before the commissionaire told a mother and daughter that there were no food in the Cafeteria! What’s wrong with this picture anyway?
Once downstairs, I once again tried to get someone going but to no avail.
I even pointed at the television and told these Irving’s employees that the people around Brenda Fowlie and said- Once she’s gone? Those people will stay there! I wonder how much money did the irvings pay these people? These are the bureaucrats who are appointed for life!!!
I had one Irving employee who approach me and said - Hey? What’s your problem anyway? You used to work for the Irvings!
I quickly replied- hey? When you have a racist supervisor who say that no niggers or frogs should be allowed to work within the Empire and he’s supported by a Billionaire?
I do have a problem with this!
I noticed a black bureaucrat standing by and he heard me but he never said a whisper!
I left before the hearings ended because these high class people were driving me nuts!
Oppppsss I forgot my surrender story!
For the last 40 years, I have never wore any shorts.
Even when I travelled across Canada and the U.S.A. on my ten speed bicycle. I never wore any shorts!
Well? I surrender because it’s just too darn hot in the Capital.
Many citizens don’t recognize me without a hat and shorts on.
I must tell you that my legs are as white as snow but what can a person do?
It’s just too darn hot.
Please excuse the style and grammar of this blog because I just write the darn thing and send it along the information Highway!!!
Bye bye
MR.VOLPE IS CONFUSING?? WHAT DO YOU THINK????
DRAWING SENT TO ME BY A READER!!!!
Daily Gleaner | Editorials
As published on page C9 on July 2, 2005
Don't expect big changes to VLTs
It's our view: Minister Volpe not giving indication of change
When you consider the horrific tales told by those families that have had a son, daughter, brother or sister who have been negatively affected by gambling on VLTs, your heart goes out to them.
It's not an easy addiction to kick.
Governments know that as well. They are essentially addicted to the revenues generated by the machines and will not let go of them easily.
In 2003-04, total Atlantic Lottery Corporation sales in New Brunswick were $298.8 million, and 45.5 per cent of that came from the 2,800 VLTs in the province.
So the problem facing all politicians is simple: how do you replace the lost revenue if VLTs are taken out of the province completely or scaled back?
Finance Minister Jeannot Volpe is dealing with just such a question right now.
This past week, he said he is not feeling any pressure from groups opposed to VLTs, but did hint that he would consider public hearings into the machines, and that there would be some sort of review.
"Maybe we say we will maintain what we've got," he said. "Maybe we will say that there are a few areas where we can improve."
That's a very non-committal answer about the issue.
Volpe pointed out that New Brunswick has among the lowest rates of gambling addiction in the country and one of the lowest number of VLTs per capita in Canada.
We wonder if the minister is trying to send a message with that statement.
NDP Leader Elizabeth Weir, a vocal critic of VLTs, said she was pleased that public input would be considered.
"I am encouraged by that but what I also want to hear is that they are going to make some clear movement on the whole question of the access to VLTs," she said.
We suspect, however, that there will not be a clear movement on the government's part in the near future. There may be some slight tampering with the numbers of machines and perhaps with the amount of access time to them, but don't expect wholesale changes.
And keep in mind that eventually the government will point to the May 2001 referendum when 53 per cent of those who voted wanted to keep VLTs in the province.
That's been the biggest public input into VLTs in New Brunswick and one that many people will point to when considering the issue.
INTERESTING EMAIL FROM ONTARIO!!!!!
I have sent Bernard Richard information straight out of the CPS on Ritalin and the side effects.
I am sure you have read this and it is the best attack you can have as all
the side effects are listed in the CPS. It is strange though somewhere
along the line suicide was taken out.
It was in the list of side effects up to 1993 I beleive, now it is gone. We know that children do get depressed taking this drug which either leads to another drug being prescribed like Prozac, or the child commits suicide either because Prozac lets say is prescribed and is known to cause suicide or the combination of both drugs.
But our laws here in Canada protect "the dead" meaning we can't find out if the child was on any type of drug before killing themselves or others.
This Charles would be a good place to open up a very secretative spot. Parents aren't even told if they find out their child (child could be any age as we all are
children of someone) if drugs were involved - prescription - who is being protected
here?
Do you know anything about this? As we have found out a child of 9 in Manitoba hung himself after coming back from a foster home to his home.
It is assumed he was on a behaviour drug but I can't find out for sure. In Calgary two young people who were known to be on prescription drugs and yet neither parent can find out the "why" that caused their children to commit suicide.
One parent was told that her son of 17 they found he did have a prescription drug in his system but that was it. She knew he was depressed but thought the prescription drug would help.
Help what?
We can't find out, was he on Ritalin, then given another drug to counteract the Ritalin or was he given something like Zoloft or Prozac? Our country's children are
Canada's life, if we allow these children to be drugged can you imagine
what is going to happen in 20 years? It is not fair to these children they
are the victims here.
I understand you don't have a lot of money, but one doesn't need a lot of money, as it is well known good actions counter act the bad ones.
In another way "the pen is mightier than the sword" you are doing great work
Charles and I am so pleased we are working towards the same out come, bring
governments to the understanding drugging kids is not the answer...hello...Canada! Wake up!!!!
I am sure you have read this and it is the best attack you can have as all
the side effects are listed in the CPS. It is strange though somewhere
along the line suicide was taken out.
It was in the list of side effects up to 1993 I beleive, now it is gone. We know that children do get depressed taking this drug which either leads to another drug being prescribed like Prozac, or the child commits suicide either because Prozac lets say is prescribed and is known to cause suicide or the combination of both drugs.
But our laws here in Canada protect "the dead" meaning we can't find out if the child was on any type of drug before killing themselves or others.
This Charles would be a good place to open up a very secretative spot. Parents aren't even told if they find out their child (child could be any age as we all are
children of someone) if drugs were involved - prescription - who is being protected
here?
Do you know anything about this? As we have found out a child of 9 in Manitoba hung himself after coming back from a foster home to his home.
It is assumed he was on a behaviour drug but I can't find out for sure. In Calgary two young people who were known to be on prescription drugs and yet neither parent can find out the "why" that caused their children to commit suicide.
One parent was told that her son of 17 they found he did have a prescription drug in his system but that was it. She knew he was depressed but thought the prescription drug would help.
Help what?
We can't find out, was he on Ritalin, then given another drug to counteract the Ritalin or was he given something like Zoloft or Prozac? Our country's children are
Canada's life, if we allow these children to be drugged can you imagine
what is going to happen in 20 years? It is not fair to these children they
are the victims here.
I understand you don't have a lot of money, but one doesn't need a lot of money, as it is well known good actions counter act the bad ones.
In another way "the pen is mightier than the sword" you are doing great work
Charles and I am so pleased we are working towards the same out come, bring
governments to the understanding drugging kids is not the answer...hello...Canada! Wake up!!!!
Friday, July 01, 2005
WHY WOULD GOD ALLOWED THIS???
I am just asking the question? Lighting hit this Church a few days ago. The story is inside this blog!! Just for the record? I am not blaming God!!! I am just asking the question????
NB Telegraph-Journal | Provincial News
As published on page A3 on July 1, 2005
Village mourns province's "Sistine Chapel"
Parish priest not sure if edifice in Kent County village destroyed by lightning will be rebuilt
Click to zoom (Ron Ward/Canadaeast News Service)
Flames destroy Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church in Sainte-Anne-de-Kent Wednesday.
BY ANDREW PHILIPS
Telegraph-Journal
Some stared silently in disbelief while others chatted quietly with friends, but all were there for the same reason: To pay respect to a church affectionately known as "the Sistine Chapel of New Brunswick."
Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church, the heart and soul of the tiny village of Sainte-Anne-de-Kent, had been home to both happy and sad occasions over its rich 119-year history. But it lay in ruins Thursday following a lightning strike the previous day.
"We lost our community," local resident Geraldine LeBlanc said while holding her four-year-old son, Jake, and surveying the blackened heap of rubble now protected by yellow tape.
"It's sad, very sad. As soon as you'd get off the highway ramp, you'd see the church bell and now it's gone."
Helen Surette was baptized in the church, which also was home to her first communion, confirmation and sister Laudia Bourque's wedding. Her father is buried in the neighbouring cemetery.
"It was part of my heart," she explained, her voice breaking.
"It's a big, big loss. I called my sister and she started to cry. Our youth revolved around this church. It was the centre.
Click to zoom (Submitted photo)
Above, is how the church interior looked before the fire.
"There was so much spirituality. They're never going to be able to replace what was lost."
A scattering of religious symbols and artifacts, including one unfinished painting by renowned Acadian artist Édouard Gautreau, were rescued from the burning building and placed in the gymnasium of École Calixte-F-Savoie, which will hold weekend masses for parishioners while a wedding scheduled for Saturday has been moved to Bouctouche about 10 minutes away.
"I had just left the school when I got a call about the fire," said Esmond Comeau, a school maintenance worker, who was also one of nearly 70 volunteer and full-time firefighters battling the blaze. "When I arrived, I could see the top of the church was on fire."
Click to zoom (Andrew Philips/Telegraph-Journal)
École Calixte-F-Savoie maintenance worker and volunteer firefighter Esmond Comeau stands in front of a large painting by artist Édouard Gautreau, which volunteers managed to rescue from the burning church.
School custodian Marcel LeBlanc, who was married in the church in 1992, said the community really came together to try to help salvage whatever they could.
"No one was thinking about the danger," Mr. LeBlanc said, noting people driving by were stopping and running to the church to help out. "Anybody with a heartbeat was moving items out of the church."
But while a few items were salvaged, many of the church's famous fresco-style paintings, including many by Mr. Gautreau, and a rare Italian chandelier, one of only handful in existence, are gone.
Insurance investigators are assessing the damage.
Mr. LeBlanc said losing the church leaves a deep hole in the community.
"For this small area, we were very proud of what we had," Mr. LeBlanc said, noting tourists from across Canada and other countries would often stop to view the church's spectacular interior and admire the artworks.
"For visitors and us, it was worth a thousand pictures."
But while discussions will undoubtedly ensue about how to rebuild the gothic revival-style church, parish priest Father Yvon LeBlanc said it's still too early to say what will be done.
Click to zoom (Ron Ward/Canadaeast News Service)
Flames burn Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church behind a statue of the Virgin Mary Wednesday.
"We'll work on it, but it may be smaller," Father LeBlanc said. "But I can't say we're definitely going to build again."
He said the church's value in the eyes of its parishioners can't be quantified.
"It's a piece of their identity that's really gone in different ways.
"They always like saying it put Sainte-Anne on the map. It was the Sistine Chapel of New Brunswick."
The Sistine Chapel is a chapel in the Vatican, the Pope's palace and official residence, featuring frescoes by renowned artist Michelangelo and other painters.
Church caretaker Rhéal Mallet spent much of Thursday after sweeping black dust with a heavy broom.
"It was beautiful inside," Mr. Mallet said. "The paintings and the chandelier were priceless. Now, they're all gone."
Moncton resident Lise Guerrette-Daigle stopped by on her way to her cottage north of Sainte-Anne.
Click to zoom (Andrew Philips/Telegraph-Journal)
Thursday, there is nothing but debris behind the statue Thursday as Sainte-Anne-de-Kent resident Geraldine LeBlanc stands with her son, Jake, in front of the ruins of the village's historic church. 'We lost our community,' as a result of the church's destruction, Ms. LeBlanc said.
"It's very sad for the village," she said. "It's their reunion place. A lot of happy and sad occasions happened here. A lot of babies were baptized in this church."
In the provincial legislature, Liberal Leader and Kent MLA Shawn Graham outlined the church's importance in the region and commended Father LeBlanc's bravery as he faced difficult circumstances.
"This church was not only used for religious purposes, it was also a meeting place and a place for artistic display for fresco paintings that were admired by many," Mr. Graham said.
"I am confident that our community, being a community that has overcome many challenges in the past, will be able to come together to overcome this period of great sadness," the Liberal leader said.
Montreal resident Jean-Marc Landry, who has family in the area, said he hopes the church is rebuilt.
"It's sad for a small community like this," he said.
NB Telegraph-Journal | Provincial News
As published on page A3 on July 1, 2005
Village mourns province's "Sistine Chapel"
Parish priest not sure if edifice in Kent County village destroyed by lightning will be rebuilt
Click to zoom (Ron Ward/Canadaeast News Service)
Flames destroy Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church in Sainte-Anne-de-Kent Wednesday.
BY ANDREW PHILIPS
Telegraph-Journal
Some stared silently in disbelief while others chatted quietly with friends, but all were there for the same reason: To pay respect to a church affectionately known as "the Sistine Chapel of New Brunswick."
Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church, the heart and soul of the tiny village of Sainte-Anne-de-Kent, had been home to both happy and sad occasions over its rich 119-year history. But it lay in ruins Thursday following a lightning strike the previous day.
"We lost our community," local resident Geraldine LeBlanc said while holding her four-year-old son, Jake, and surveying the blackened heap of rubble now protected by yellow tape.
"It's sad, very sad. As soon as you'd get off the highway ramp, you'd see the church bell and now it's gone."
Helen Surette was baptized in the church, which also was home to her first communion, confirmation and sister Laudia Bourque's wedding. Her father is buried in the neighbouring cemetery.
"It was part of my heart," she explained, her voice breaking.
"It's a big, big loss. I called my sister and she started to cry. Our youth revolved around this church. It was the centre.
Click to zoom (Submitted photo)
Above, is how the church interior looked before the fire.
"There was so much spirituality. They're never going to be able to replace what was lost."
A scattering of religious symbols and artifacts, including one unfinished painting by renowned Acadian artist Édouard Gautreau, were rescued from the burning building and placed in the gymnasium of École Calixte-F-Savoie, which will hold weekend masses for parishioners while a wedding scheduled for Saturday has been moved to Bouctouche about 10 minutes away.
"I had just left the school when I got a call about the fire," said Esmond Comeau, a school maintenance worker, who was also one of nearly 70 volunteer and full-time firefighters battling the blaze. "When I arrived, I could see the top of the church was on fire."
Click to zoom (Andrew Philips/Telegraph-Journal)
École Calixte-F-Savoie maintenance worker and volunteer firefighter Esmond Comeau stands in front of a large painting by artist Édouard Gautreau, which volunteers managed to rescue from the burning church.
School custodian Marcel LeBlanc, who was married in the church in 1992, said the community really came together to try to help salvage whatever they could.
"No one was thinking about the danger," Mr. LeBlanc said, noting people driving by were stopping and running to the church to help out. "Anybody with a heartbeat was moving items out of the church."
But while a few items were salvaged, many of the church's famous fresco-style paintings, including many by Mr. Gautreau, and a rare Italian chandelier, one of only handful in existence, are gone.
Insurance investigators are assessing the damage.
Mr. LeBlanc said losing the church leaves a deep hole in the community.
"For this small area, we were very proud of what we had," Mr. LeBlanc said, noting tourists from across Canada and other countries would often stop to view the church's spectacular interior and admire the artworks.
"For visitors and us, it was worth a thousand pictures."
But while discussions will undoubtedly ensue about how to rebuild the gothic revival-style church, parish priest Father Yvon LeBlanc said it's still too early to say what will be done.
Click to zoom (Ron Ward/Canadaeast News Service)
Flames burn Sainte-Anne Roman Catholic Church behind a statue of the Virgin Mary Wednesday.
"We'll work on it, but it may be smaller," Father LeBlanc said. "But I can't say we're definitely going to build again."
He said the church's value in the eyes of its parishioners can't be quantified.
"It's a piece of their identity that's really gone in different ways.
"They always like saying it put Sainte-Anne on the map. It was the Sistine Chapel of New Brunswick."
The Sistine Chapel is a chapel in the Vatican, the Pope's palace and official residence, featuring frescoes by renowned artist Michelangelo and other painters.
Church caretaker Rhéal Mallet spent much of Thursday after sweeping black dust with a heavy broom.
"It was beautiful inside," Mr. Mallet said. "The paintings and the chandelier were priceless. Now, they're all gone."
Moncton resident Lise Guerrette-Daigle stopped by on her way to her cottage north of Sainte-Anne.
Click to zoom (Andrew Philips/Telegraph-Journal)
Thursday, there is nothing but debris behind the statue Thursday as Sainte-Anne-de-Kent resident Geraldine LeBlanc stands with her son, Jake, in front of the ruins of the village's historic church. 'We lost our community,' as a result of the church's destruction, Ms. LeBlanc said.
"It's very sad for the village," she said. "It's their reunion place. A lot of happy and sad occasions happened here. A lot of babies were baptized in this church."
In the provincial legislature, Liberal Leader and Kent MLA Shawn Graham outlined the church's importance in the region and commended Father LeBlanc's bravery as he faced difficult circumstances.
"This church was not only used for religious purposes, it was also a meeting place and a place for artistic display for fresco paintings that were admired by many," Mr. Graham said.
"I am confident that our community, being a community that has overcome many challenges in the past, will be able to come together to overcome this period of great sadness," the Liberal leader said.
Montreal resident Jean-Marc Landry, who has family in the area, said he hopes the church is rebuilt.
"It's sad for a small community like this," he said.
Thursday, June 30, 2005
BONNE FETE LE CANADA!!!!
Bonne fête Canada
En cette période de l’année , différentes fêtes nous interpellent presque toutes les semaines, surtout en tant que parlant français. On a eu la fête du Québec la semaine dernière. Cette semaine c’est celle du Canada. Dans deux semaines, le 14 juillet, on aura celle de la France.
Ensuite , il y aura le 28 juillet pour commémorer la Déportation, le premier lundi du mois d’août pour la fête du Nouveau-Brunswick, pour enfin en arriver à l’apothéose de la fête de l’Acadie du 15 août. C’est tonifiant, mais essoufflant!
Mes propos d’aujourd’hui visent principalement à souligner la fête du Canada de vendredi prochain le 1er juillet. Nous sommes plusieurs à penser que la meilleure façon pour nous d’être canadiens à part entière, c’est d’être avant tout acadiens. En nous assumant comme tels, en tant que premier peuple européen installé en permanence en Amérique, et compte tenu de tous les aléas de l’histoire qui ont caractérisé et façonné l’âme de notre peuple par la suite, nous apportons à l’identité canadienne une couleur particulière.
Quand nous étions plus jeunes et baveux dans les années 70 , nous étions plusieurs à boycotter par exemple l’hymne national canadien en restant assis pendant qu’on l’entonnait. Ça se faisait puisque nous étions à cette époque–là dans une démarche identitaire intense. On n’était pas toujours à l’aise d’être canadiens en tant qu’acadiens. Ça s’est nettement amélioré. Certains diront même que sans le fédéral , point de salut, et c’est en grande partie vrai. Mais , il y a encore des combats à mener.
Mais il y a eu un prix à payer pour cela. On a utilisé les acadiens comme de la chair à canon constitutionnelle entre les fédéralistes et indépendantistes québécois. On nous a utilisé à toutes les sauces pour à la fois amadouer l’anglophonie canadienne et mâter les poussées d’hormone autonomiste québécoise. Le summum de ce marchandage infect a été le rassemblement massif de Montréal lors du référendum de 1995, qui a eu plus l’allure d’un “flirt” d’un soir , que d’un engagement amoureux à long terme. En prime, on se retrouve dix (10) ans plus tard avec le scandale des commandites comme fond de scène, méconnu à l’époque et d’autant plus révoltant que maintenant on sait. Il faut créer et définir sur de nouvelles bases les rapports entre les francophonies canadiennes , entre les francophones et les anglophones et entre toutes les communautés multiculturelles de ce pays. Il faut de plus polir et bonifier notre image du Canada à l’étranger.
Nous devons nous ressaisir comme pays. Pour commencer, nous devons essayer d’avoir plus de transparence dans les démarches politiques à venir. Il faudrait peut-être aussi passer plus de temps à imaginer et concevoir des plans d’inclusion plutôt que d’exclusion. Reconnaissons que le Québec est souvent à l’avant-garde du Canada sur le plan social, avec les garderies par exemple , sur le plan linguistique, dans sa façon de traiter sa minorité , ou encore sur les plans coopératifs , ouvriers et autres. On devrait donc continuer d’essayer de faire des arrangements sur des programmes nationaux sans tenter d’imposer ces critères nationaux au Québec, surtout quand tout le monde reconnaît pleinement que le Québec est bien au delà de ces critères.
Par ailleurs, le Québec devrait arrêter de s’exciter à chaque fois qu’à Ottawa , on essaye d’implanter des lois pouvant renforcer l’épanouissement des acadiens et francophones à l’extérieur du Québec. Ça impliquerait donc que de part et d’autres , on arrête de jouer à se tasser dans les coins.. Ça impliquerait aussi que, quand les acadiens et les francophones du Canada empruntent la voie juridique , surtout à la Cour suprême, le Québec ne se sente pas obligé et forcé de venir s’objecter à l’avancée des francophones ailleurs au pays, que ce soient dans les domaines scolaires ou de la santé par exemples. Ça impliquerait également que les francophones de ce pays, qui veulent s’épanouir, ne soient pas systématiquement obligés d’emprunter la voie juridique pour accéder à leurs droits, comme sont obligés de le faire principalement nos frères et sœurs acadiens de l’Île-du-Prince-Édouard ou de la Nouvelle-Écosse.
Tentons d’extirper le mensonge dans nos pratiques politiques, comme on commence déjà à mentir dans le dossier de l’épandage des agents orange, pourpre et blanc à Gagetown..
Nous pourrons mieux célébrer ce pays quand il aura retrouver un meilleur sens du développement équitable pour l’ensemble des régions, et non pas seulement pour le centre et l’ouest canadien. Il ne faut plus que différentes régions de ce pays continuent de se sentir comme des restants de pays, ou des résidus de pays. La bataille épique du premier ministre Williams de Terre-Neuve et Labrador, l’hiver dernier, a été à la fois héroïque et pathétique. On ne devrait pas en Atlantique être obligé de partir en croisade chaque fois que nous voulons obtenir notre part du butin, comme on est obligé de continuer à le faire pour l’assurance emploi, entre autres.
Nous pourrons mieux célébrer ce pays quand il retrouvera ses grands idéaux du temps de Pearson et de Trudeau quant à la place du Canada dans ses rôles de pacificateur et d’accompagnateur dans le développement économique et social des pays en voie de développement. Peu avant son départ, monsieur Chrétien avait enchanté tout le monde en refusant d’embarquer le Canada dans la guerre en Irak et en lançant son opération privilégiée pour l’Afrique. Mais, on dirait que la sauce se gâte depuis ce temps-là.! Monsieur Martin tergiverse et tarde à emboîter le pas pour que le Canada fasse partie du club des nations qui veulent porter leur contribution aux pays en voie de développement à la hauteur de 0.7% de leur produit intérieur brut. Il va se faire chicaner par son ami Bono, et avec raison!.
Le Canada mérite d’être célébré , parce qu’il est définitivement l’un des meilleurs pays au monde. Il nous reste à mieux apprendre à soigner nos enfants et nos aînés, à mieux concilier travail-famille, à donner autant d’importance au BNB ( Bonheur national brut) qu’au PNB (Produit national brut) comme une conférence internationale tenue en Nouvelle-Écosse la semaine dernière nous a incité à le faire. Il nous reste à apprendre à mieux harmoniser nos rapports entre les différentes communautés et les différentes régions du pays. Célébrons ce que ce pays est déjà, mais travaillons à ce qu’il devienne meilleur! Bonne fête Canada!
Jean-Marie Nadeau
jmacadie@nb.sympatico.ca
En cette période de l’année , différentes fêtes nous interpellent presque toutes les semaines, surtout en tant que parlant français. On a eu la fête du Québec la semaine dernière. Cette semaine c’est celle du Canada. Dans deux semaines, le 14 juillet, on aura celle de la France.
Ensuite , il y aura le 28 juillet pour commémorer la Déportation, le premier lundi du mois d’août pour la fête du Nouveau-Brunswick, pour enfin en arriver à l’apothéose de la fête de l’Acadie du 15 août. C’est tonifiant, mais essoufflant!
Mes propos d’aujourd’hui visent principalement à souligner la fête du Canada de vendredi prochain le 1er juillet. Nous sommes plusieurs à penser que la meilleure façon pour nous d’être canadiens à part entière, c’est d’être avant tout acadiens. En nous assumant comme tels, en tant que premier peuple européen installé en permanence en Amérique, et compte tenu de tous les aléas de l’histoire qui ont caractérisé et façonné l’âme de notre peuple par la suite, nous apportons à l’identité canadienne une couleur particulière.
Quand nous étions plus jeunes et baveux dans les années 70 , nous étions plusieurs à boycotter par exemple l’hymne national canadien en restant assis pendant qu’on l’entonnait. Ça se faisait puisque nous étions à cette époque–là dans une démarche identitaire intense. On n’était pas toujours à l’aise d’être canadiens en tant qu’acadiens. Ça s’est nettement amélioré. Certains diront même que sans le fédéral , point de salut, et c’est en grande partie vrai. Mais , il y a encore des combats à mener.
Mais il y a eu un prix à payer pour cela. On a utilisé les acadiens comme de la chair à canon constitutionnelle entre les fédéralistes et indépendantistes québécois. On nous a utilisé à toutes les sauces pour à la fois amadouer l’anglophonie canadienne et mâter les poussées d’hormone autonomiste québécoise. Le summum de ce marchandage infect a été le rassemblement massif de Montréal lors du référendum de 1995, qui a eu plus l’allure d’un “flirt” d’un soir , que d’un engagement amoureux à long terme. En prime, on se retrouve dix (10) ans plus tard avec le scandale des commandites comme fond de scène, méconnu à l’époque et d’autant plus révoltant que maintenant on sait. Il faut créer et définir sur de nouvelles bases les rapports entre les francophonies canadiennes , entre les francophones et les anglophones et entre toutes les communautés multiculturelles de ce pays. Il faut de plus polir et bonifier notre image du Canada à l’étranger.
Nous devons nous ressaisir comme pays. Pour commencer, nous devons essayer d’avoir plus de transparence dans les démarches politiques à venir. Il faudrait peut-être aussi passer plus de temps à imaginer et concevoir des plans d’inclusion plutôt que d’exclusion. Reconnaissons que le Québec est souvent à l’avant-garde du Canada sur le plan social, avec les garderies par exemple , sur le plan linguistique, dans sa façon de traiter sa minorité , ou encore sur les plans coopératifs , ouvriers et autres. On devrait donc continuer d’essayer de faire des arrangements sur des programmes nationaux sans tenter d’imposer ces critères nationaux au Québec, surtout quand tout le monde reconnaît pleinement que le Québec est bien au delà de ces critères.
Par ailleurs, le Québec devrait arrêter de s’exciter à chaque fois qu’à Ottawa , on essaye d’implanter des lois pouvant renforcer l’épanouissement des acadiens et francophones à l’extérieur du Québec. Ça impliquerait donc que de part et d’autres , on arrête de jouer à se tasser dans les coins.. Ça impliquerait aussi que, quand les acadiens et les francophones du Canada empruntent la voie juridique , surtout à la Cour suprême, le Québec ne se sente pas obligé et forcé de venir s’objecter à l’avancée des francophones ailleurs au pays, que ce soient dans les domaines scolaires ou de la santé par exemples. Ça impliquerait également que les francophones de ce pays, qui veulent s’épanouir, ne soient pas systématiquement obligés d’emprunter la voie juridique pour accéder à leurs droits, comme sont obligés de le faire principalement nos frères et sœurs acadiens de l’Île-du-Prince-Édouard ou de la Nouvelle-Écosse.
Tentons d’extirper le mensonge dans nos pratiques politiques, comme on commence déjà à mentir dans le dossier de l’épandage des agents orange, pourpre et blanc à Gagetown..
Nous pourrons mieux célébrer ce pays quand il aura retrouver un meilleur sens du développement équitable pour l’ensemble des régions, et non pas seulement pour le centre et l’ouest canadien. Il ne faut plus que différentes régions de ce pays continuent de se sentir comme des restants de pays, ou des résidus de pays. La bataille épique du premier ministre Williams de Terre-Neuve et Labrador, l’hiver dernier, a été à la fois héroïque et pathétique. On ne devrait pas en Atlantique être obligé de partir en croisade chaque fois que nous voulons obtenir notre part du butin, comme on est obligé de continuer à le faire pour l’assurance emploi, entre autres.
Nous pourrons mieux célébrer ce pays quand il retrouvera ses grands idéaux du temps de Pearson et de Trudeau quant à la place du Canada dans ses rôles de pacificateur et d’accompagnateur dans le développement économique et social des pays en voie de développement. Peu avant son départ, monsieur Chrétien avait enchanté tout le monde en refusant d’embarquer le Canada dans la guerre en Irak et en lançant son opération privilégiée pour l’Afrique. Mais, on dirait que la sauce se gâte depuis ce temps-là.! Monsieur Martin tergiverse et tarde à emboîter le pas pour que le Canada fasse partie du club des nations qui veulent porter leur contribution aux pays en voie de développement à la hauteur de 0.7% de leur produit intérieur brut. Il va se faire chicaner par son ami Bono, et avec raison!.
Le Canada mérite d’être célébré , parce qu’il est définitivement l’un des meilleurs pays au monde. Il nous reste à mieux apprendre à soigner nos enfants et nos aînés, à mieux concilier travail-famille, à donner autant d’importance au BNB ( Bonheur national brut) qu’au PNB (Produit national brut) comme une conférence internationale tenue en Nouvelle-Écosse la semaine dernière nous a incité à le faire. Il nous reste à apprendre à mieux harmoniser nos rapports entre les différentes communautés et les différentes régions du pays. Célébrons ce que ce pays est déjà, mais travaillons à ce qu’il devienne meilleur! Bonne fête Canada!
Jean-Marie Nadeau
jmacadie@nb.sympatico.ca
AGENT ORANGE IN NEW BRUNSWICK CANADA!!!! THE SAD STORIES!!!!!
P.C. MLA < nice guy > is sending me some info about Agent Orange!! I'll past them in this blog!!! Keep on reading!!!!
Former soldier says he was sprayed with chemicals at CFB Gagetown
Last Updated Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:23:53 EDT
CBC News www.cbc.ca
A veteran who served at CFB Gagetown, in New Brunswick, has stepped forward with allegations he and others were deliberately sprayed with chemicals in the spring of 1967.
Herb Crowe believes he and others were part of an experiment on humans with the defoliant Agent Orange. Crowe says he decided to speak out after Defence Minister Bill Graham denied such experiments ever took place.
Crowe served in the 2RCHA artillery unit at CFB Gagetown from 1957 to 1985. He says in June of 1967, the same month the U.S. military was testing Agent Orange and Agent Purple at the base, he and several other artillery members were taken out into the woods.
"Once down there we were all ushered into a large tent, took our uniforms off, given coveralls and I don't know if they gave us a respirator, or we had our own with us.
"We were then taken out into the area. We were then put under camouflage net in the trees. [After a] little while then, not sure if it was fixed-wing or helicopter, came along and physically sprayed us while we were there in the woods in the camouflage nets."
Crowe says the soldiers were sprayed several times and then told they had to be decontaminated.
"When the spraying was finished we were taken into the tent, coveralls off, sprayed with some kind of a powder, took a shower, put our uniforms back on and were taken back to the base."
Crowe says he was summoned for a second test in the following days and noticed all the leaves were dead. He now believes he was part of a test conducted by the Americans using Agent Orange and Agent Purple. At the time soldiers were told nothing.
The 69-year-old is in good health, but he says several of the people who were with him on that June day are now dead, or dying. "Some of the people have passed away since then; most of them with cancer and a few still around today have cancer and they were on that test."
CBC News has contacted another member of Crowe's artillery unit who was with Crowe that day who confirms the test took place.
Earlier this week, Defence Minister Bill Graham said he's looked into it and there is no evidence "whatsoever" of tests on humans at CFB Gagetown.
"There was never any attempt whatsoever of any kind to actually spray individuals or to test material on individuals at Gagetown. That was not the purpose of anything that was being done. It was simply how do we remove the foliage in order for the operation to be more effective," said Graham.
Graham says he's willing to keep looking into it and to hear from people who say it happened.
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The DaiIy Gleaner www.canadaeast.com
THURSDAY, JUNE 30, 2005
Agent Orange plan in works
Andy Scott says the government will roll out its proposal in the coming days
By JORGE BARRERA
barrera.jorge@dailygleaner.com
OTTAWA - The federal government will announce its plan to deal with the fallout from chemical defoliant tests at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown in the coming days, says Fredericton MP Andy Scott.
On Wednesday, federal cabinet ministers discussed a proposal that is expected to go beyond measures already announced by the Department of National Defence.
Scott, who is also the minister of Indian Affairs, said he couldn’t hint at what the proposal contained because it would breach cabinet confidentiality.
“The federal response is days away...” Scott said after the meeting.
“It’s one that I am quite happy with, as it’s playing out.”
Defence Department officials have said the toxic defoliant Agent Orange and Agent Purple were tested in small amounts at CFB Gagetown over seven days between 1966 and 1967.
But the department has said it’s unlikely residents of the surrounding communities were affected by the tests.
The Department of Veterans Affairs has already compensated the widow of one former military officer for illness caused by Agent Orange testing on the base.
Scott, who flew hack to Fredericton on Wednesday, said he will be talking about the matter this week with Oromocto-Gagetown Conservative MLA Jody Carr.
“I am going to discuss this with some friends in the area, including the people who contacted my office,” said Scott.
Carr has been calling on the government to launch an independent review of the entire defoliant program at CFB Gagetown, which he said dates back to 1956. He wants Ottawa to compensate military and civilians who were exposed to the defoliants.
The Defence Department has announced it will conduct environmental studies on Agent Orange and Agent Purple test plots at the base. The department is also tracing all personnel directly involved in the testing.
New Brunswick Southwest Conservative MP Greg Thompson has called for a public inquiry into chemical testing at the base.
Defence Department officials have said there is a tenuous connection between adverse health affects and exposure to Agent Orange and Agent Purple.
While no direct link has been established, other scientific research points to an association between the chemical defoliant and cancers such as soft tissue sarcoma, Hodgkin’s disease and chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
FOR UPDATES ON AGENT ORANGE: www.jodycarr.ca
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ubject: THOMPSON CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT PUBLIC INQUIRY
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:51 -0300
From: "Carr, Jody (LEG)" View Contact Details View Contact Details
From: Thompson, Greg - M.P. [mailto:ThompG@parl.gc.ca]
Sent: June 27, 2005 4:41 PM
To: Carr, Jody (LEG)
Subject: RE: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
Hi Jody
Greg filed a notice of motion in the House of Commons asking for a public inquiry, he asked the speaker for an emergency debate about 15 minutes ago and the speaker said no, he filed 2 notices for the production of papers (1) all studies conducted by the government concerning chemical defoliants CFB Gagetown (2) correspondence between C.O. Gordon Sellar, his widow and DND, Vet Aff, Health, Environment and Justice federal depts. concerning the use of and compensation for use of chemical defoliants at CFB Gagetown. I have attached the press release that just went out.
Talk to you soon.
Fran
From: Carr, Jody (LEG) [mailto:jody.carr@gnb.ca]
Sent: June 27, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Thompson, Greg - M.P.
Subject: FW: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
FYI
From: Carr, Jack (LEG)
Sent: June 27, 2005 1:13 PM
To: Carr, Jody (LEG)
Subject: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
· CBC Maritime Noon, 12:00 pm, June 27: Fredericton MP Andy Scott says he would support a broad fact-finding mission into the effects of spraying across the country. MLA Jody Carr is calling for an inquiry as a way to find more answers for veterans at
CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick who were exposed to Agent Orange in the 1960s. Comments made by Andy Scott, Fredericton MP
PRESS RELEASE
THOMPSON CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT PUBLIC INQUIRY
Ottawa – June 27, 2005 – Greg Thompson, M.P. for New Brunswick Southwest is asking the Government of Canada to conduct a public inquiry on the herbicidal spraying programs at CFB Gagetown from 1956 to 1984. Mr. Thompson states the inquiry should also have the authority to make recommendations for compensation of all persons affected, both civilian and military.
Thompson says; “the public interest can only be served with an independent inquiry removed from the influence of senior officials in Ottawa”.
Appearing before the Standing Committee on National Defence and again at a public meeting at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, National Defence officials confirmed their investigation of Agent Orange and Agent Purple would be limited to “small scale” test periods during 1966 and 1967. Thompson suggests an investigation should not be limited to small scale test plots in a 2 year period, but should extend to the entire spray period from 1956 to 1984. The Government of Canada has silently sat on and withheld information on this spray program issue since 1981, information that could have been helpful to both civilian and military personnel and the surrounding communities at Base Gagetown. In the meantime literally hundreds of civilian and military persons have experienced a negative impact on their health.
Thompson states DND officials continue to ignore medical and scientific evidence on Agent Orange, and have drawn their conclusion on any future investigations yet to be carried out. In their own words DND officials state “In the absence of deliberate ingestion of large amounts of contaminated material, there is virtually no risk of significant exposure related to the spraying among Canadian Forces members who subsequently trained in Gagetown”.
Thompson today introduced in the House of Commons a Notice of Motion that would establish a public inquiry on the use of Agent Orange and Agent Purple and other chemical defoliants used between 1956 and 1984 at CFB Gagetown. The Government of Canada has the moral and ethical responsibility to provide all Canadians with a forum that is public and fair and with the authority to make recommendations for compensation”.
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For information contact
Greg Thompson, M.P.
New Brunswick Southwest
613-995-5550
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AGENT ORANGE - "THE HOUSE" - CBC RADIO NATIONAL POLITICAL PROGRAMNew
Anthony Germain of CBC Radio's "The House" plays clips of Kenneth Dobbie, John Chisolm, Glen Stewart and others from last Thursday's public meeting and interviews Jody Carr, MLA on the top story about chemical exposure at Base Gagetown since 1956 on this past Saturday's program.
VISIT WWW.JODYCARR.CA TO HEAR THE PROGRAM AND READ MORE ABOUT AGENT ORANGE USED AT BASE GAGETOWN
Former soldier says he was sprayed with chemicals at CFB Gagetown
Last Updated Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:23:53 EDT
CBC News www.cbc.ca
A veteran who served at CFB Gagetown, in New Brunswick, has stepped forward with allegations he and others were deliberately sprayed with chemicals in the spring of 1967.
Herb Crowe believes he and others were part of an experiment on humans with the defoliant Agent Orange. Crowe says he decided to speak out after Defence Minister Bill Graham denied such experiments ever took place.
Crowe served in the 2RCHA artillery unit at CFB Gagetown from 1957 to 1985. He says in June of 1967, the same month the U.S. military was testing Agent Orange and Agent Purple at the base, he and several other artillery members were taken out into the woods.
"Once down there we were all ushered into a large tent, took our uniforms off, given coveralls and I don't know if they gave us a respirator, or we had our own with us.
"We were then taken out into the area. We were then put under camouflage net in the trees. [After a] little while then, not sure if it was fixed-wing or helicopter, came along and physically sprayed us while we were there in the woods in the camouflage nets."
Crowe says the soldiers were sprayed several times and then told they had to be decontaminated.
"When the spraying was finished we were taken into the tent, coveralls off, sprayed with some kind of a powder, took a shower, put our uniforms back on and were taken back to the base."
Crowe says he was summoned for a second test in the following days and noticed all the leaves were dead. He now believes he was part of a test conducted by the Americans using Agent Orange and Agent Purple. At the time soldiers were told nothing.
The 69-year-old is in good health, but he says several of the people who were with him on that June day are now dead, or dying. "Some of the people have passed away since then; most of them with cancer and a few still around today have cancer and they were on that test."
CBC News has contacted another member of Crowe's artillery unit who was with Crowe that day who confirms the test took place.
Earlier this week, Defence Minister Bill Graham said he's looked into it and there is no evidence "whatsoever" of tests on humans at CFB Gagetown.
"There was never any attempt whatsoever of any kind to actually spray individuals or to test material on individuals at Gagetown. That was not the purpose of anything that was being done. It was simply how do we remove the foliage in order for the operation to be more effective," said Graham.
Graham says he's willing to keep looking into it and to hear from people who say it happened.
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The DaiIy Gleaner www.canadaeast.com
THURSDAY, JUNE 30, 2005
Agent Orange plan in works
Andy Scott says the government will roll out its proposal in the coming days
By JORGE BARRERA
barrera.jorge@dailygleaner.com
OTTAWA - The federal government will announce its plan to deal with the fallout from chemical defoliant tests at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown in the coming days, says Fredericton MP Andy Scott.
On Wednesday, federal cabinet ministers discussed a proposal that is expected to go beyond measures already announced by the Department of National Defence.
Scott, who is also the minister of Indian Affairs, said he couldn’t hint at what the proposal contained because it would breach cabinet confidentiality.
“The federal response is days away...” Scott said after the meeting.
“It’s one that I am quite happy with, as it’s playing out.”
Defence Department officials have said the toxic defoliant Agent Orange and Agent Purple were tested in small amounts at CFB Gagetown over seven days between 1966 and 1967.
But the department has said it’s unlikely residents of the surrounding communities were affected by the tests.
The Department of Veterans Affairs has already compensated the widow of one former military officer for illness caused by Agent Orange testing on the base.
Scott, who flew hack to Fredericton on Wednesday, said he will be talking about the matter this week with Oromocto-Gagetown Conservative MLA Jody Carr.
“I am going to discuss this with some friends in the area, including the people who contacted my office,” said Scott.
Carr has been calling on the government to launch an independent review of the entire defoliant program at CFB Gagetown, which he said dates back to 1956. He wants Ottawa to compensate military and civilians who were exposed to the defoliants.
The Defence Department has announced it will conduct environmental studies on Agent Orange and Agent Purple test plots at the base. The department is also tracing all personnel directly involved in the testing.
New Brunswick Southwest Conservative MP Greg Thompson has called for a public inquiry into chemical testing at the base.
Defence Department officials have said there is a tenuous connection between adverse health affects and exposure to Agent Orange and Agent Purple.
While no direct link has been established, other scientific research points to an association between the chemical defoliant and cancers such as soft tissue sarcoma, Hodgkin’s disease and chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
FOR UPDATES ON AGENT ORANGE: www.jodycarr.ca
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ubject: THOMPSON CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT PUBLIC INQUIRY
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:51 -0300
From: "Carr, Jody (LEG)"
From: Thompson, Greg - M.P. [mailto:ThompG@parl.gc.ca]
Sent: June 27, 2005 4:41 PM
To: Carr, Jody (LEG)
Subject: RE: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
Hi Jody
Greg filed a notice of motion in the House of Commons asking for a public inquiry, he asked the speaker for an emergency debate about 15 minutes ago and the speaker said no, he filed 2 notices for the production of papers (1) all studies conducted by the government concerning chemical defoliants CFB Gagetown (2) correspondence between C.O. Gordon Sellar, his widow and DND, Vet Aff, Health, Environment and Justice federal depts. concerning the use of and compensation for use of chemical defoliants at CFB Gagetown. I have attached the press release that just went out.
Talk to you soon.
Fran
From: Carr, Jody (LEG) [mailto:jody.carr@gnb.ca]
Sent: June 27, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Thompson, Greg - M.P.
Subject: FW: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
FYI
From: Carr, Jack (LEG)
Sent: June 27, 2005 1:13 PM
To: Carr, Jody (LEG)
Subject: NEWSWATCH: Andy Scott
· CBC Maritime Noon, 12:00 pm, June 27: Fredericton MP Andy Scott says he would support a broad fact-finding mission into the effects of spraying across the country. MLA Jody Carr is calling for an inquiry as a way to find more answers for veterans at
CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick who were exposed to Agent Orange in the 1960s. Comments made by Andy Scott, Fredericton MP
PRESS RELEASE
THOMPSON CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT PUBLIC INQUIRY
Ottawa – June 27, 2005 – Greg Thompson, M.P. for New Brunswick Southwest is asking the Government of Canada to conduct a public inquiry on the herbicidal spraying programs at CFB Gagetown from 1956 to 1984. Mr. Thompson states the inquiry should also have the authority to make recommendations for compensation of all persons affected, both civilian and military.
Thompson says; “the public interest can only be served with an independent inquiry removed from the influence of senior officials in Ottawa”.
Appearing before the Standing Committee on National Defence and again at a public meeting at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, National Defence officials confirmed their investigation of Agent Orange and Agent Purple would be limited to “small scale” test periods during 1966 and 1967. Thompson suggests an investigation should not be limited to small scale test plots in a 2 year period, but should extend to the entire spray period from 1956 to 1984. The Government of Canada has silently sat on and withheld information on this spray program issue since 1981, information that could have been helpful to both civilian and military personnel and the surrounding communities at Base Gagetown. In the meantime literally hundreds of civilian and military persons have experienced a negative impact on their health.
Thompson states DND officials continue to ignore medical and scientific evidence on Agent Orange, and have drawn their conclusion on any future investigations yet to be carried out. In their own words DND officials state “In the absence of deliberate ingestion of large amounts of contaminated material, there is virtually no risk of significant exposure related to the spraying among Canadian Forces members who subsequently trained in Gagetown”.
Thompson today introduced in the House of Commons a Notice of Motion that would establish a public inquiry on the use of Agent Orange and Agent Purple and other chemical defoliants used between 1956 and 1984 at CFB Gagetown. The Government of Canada has the moral and ethical responsibility to provide all Canadians with a forum that is public and fair and with the authority to make recommendations for compensation”.
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For information contact
Greg Thompson, M.P.
New Brunswick Southwest
613-995-5550
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AGENT ORANGE - "THE HOUSE" - CBC RADIO NATIONAL POLITICAL PROGRAMNew
Anthony Germain of CBC Radio's "The House" plays clips of Kenneth Dobbie, John Chisolm, Glen Stewart and others from last Thursday's public meeting and interviews Jody Carr, MLA on the top story about chemical exposure at Base Gagetown since 1956 on this past Saturday's program.
VISIT WWW.JODYCARR.CA TO HEAR THE PROGRAM AND READ MORE ABOUT AGENT ORANGE USED AT BASE GAGETOWN
TEMP SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE NEEDS HEARING AID!!!
The dreadful LNG bill just pass but we the people in the gallery heard that NAHHHHH were much louder than the YAHHHHHHH!!! But the bill still pass!!! What happen there????
TOM CRUISE AND CHARLES LEBLANC ARE NUTS???
How come every time that someone speaks out against Ritalin?
They're known as Nutty people!!!
Hey? Maybe this is what the 10,000 kids in this Province needs?
Charles LeBlanc and Tom Cruise side by side against the Lord Government.
If Tom Cruise came to this Province? Would the Irving media cover the story with or without Charles? Here's his interview. Below is a picture of me demanding a pharmancist the amount of Ritalin being prescribe in this province!!!
WHO'S BETTER LOOKING ANYWAY????...LOL
Cruise spars with Today Show host
Associated Press
Saturday, June 25, 2005
CREDIT: AP Photo/NBC, Virginia Sherwood
In this photo released by NBC, feature film star Tom
Cruise, right, gestures toward talk show co-host Matt
Lauer during the telecast of NBCs Today Show, Friday,
June 24, 2005. The interview became more heated when
Lauer began discussing anti-depressants and
Scientology.
NEW YORK - Tom Cruise criticized NBC "Today" show host
Matt Lauer on Friday when Lauer mentioned Cruise's
earlier criticism of Brooke Shields for taking
anti-depressants. Cruise told Lauer he didn't know
what he was talking about. "You don't know the history
of psychiatry. I do," Cruise said.
The interview became more heated when Lauer, who said
he knew people who had been helped by the
attention-deficit disorder drug Ritalin, asked Cruise
about the effects of the drug.
"Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib," Cruise
responded. "You don't even know what Ritalin is. If
you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have
to evaluate and read the research papers on how they
came up with these theories, Matt, OK. That's what
I've done."
When asked if he could be with someone at this stage
in his life who doesn't have an interest in the Church
of Scientology — girlfriend Katie Holmes has said
she's embracing the religion — Cruise told Lauer:
"Scientology is something that you don't understand.
It's like you could be a Christian and be a
Scientologist."
"It is a religion. Because it's dealing with the
spirit. You as a spiritual being. It gives you tools
you can use to apply to your life."
Cruise, 42, and Holmes, 26, went public with their
romance in April, smooching and posing for
photographers in Rome. They recently became engaged.
Many have doubted the romance. The words "publicity
stunt" have rained down on the couple like an alien
invasion as Cruise has been busy promoting his new
film, "War of the Worlds," directed by Steven
Spielberg, which opens on June 29.
"You know what? There's always cynics. There always
has been. There always will be," said Cruise, who
hasn't been shy about displaying his affection for
"Batman Begins" actress Holmes. "I have never worried
... about what other people think and what other
people say."
"I have to tell you. It's just a great time in my
life," Cruise said. "I'm really happy. And, you know,
I'm engaged. I'm going to be married. I can't restrain
myself."
The actor, whose marriages to Mimi Rogers and Nicole
Kidman ended in divorce, declined to say what Holmes
has brought to his life that wasn't there in the past.
"I don't want to compare things," Cruise said. "It's
that thing where you just — in life when it just
happens. ... You meet someone. And it's — I can't even
describe it."
They're known as Nutty people!!!
Hey? Maybe this is what the 10,000 kids in this Province needs?
Charles LeBlanc and Tom Cruise side by side against the Lord Government.
If Tom Cruise came to this Province? Would the Irving media cover the story with or without Charles? Here's his interview. Below is a picture of me demanding a pharmancist the amount of Ritalin being prescribe in this province!!!
WHO'S BETTER LOOKING ANYWAY????...LOL
Cruise spars with Today Show host
Associated Press
Saturday, June 25, 2005
CREDIT: AP Photo/NBC, Virginia Sherwood
In this photo released by NBC, feature film star Tom
Cruise, right, gestures toward talk show co-host Matt
Lauer during the telecast of NBCs Today Show, Friday,
June 24, 2005. The interview became more heated when
Lauer began discussing anti-depressants and
Scientology.
NEW YORK - Tom Cruise criticized NBC "Today" show host
Matt Lauer on Friday when Lauer mentioned Cruise's
earlier criticism of Brooke Shields for taking
anti-depressants. Cruise told Lauer he didn't know
what he was talking about. "You don't know the history
of psychiatry. I do," Cruise said.
The interview became more heated when Lauer, who said
he knew people who had been helped by the
attention-deficit disorder drug Ritalin, asked Cruise
about the effects of the drug.
"Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib," Cruise
responded. "You don't even know what Ritalin is. If
you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have
to evaluate and read the research papers on how they
came up with these theories, Matt, OK. That's what
I've done."
When asked if he could be with someone at this stage
in his life who doesn't have an interest in the Church
of Scientology — girlfriend Katie Holmes has said
she's embracing the religion — Cruise told Lauer:
"Scientology is something that you don't understand.
It's like you could be a Christian and be a
Scientologist."
"It is a religion. Because it's dealing with the
spirit. You as a spiritual being. It gives you tools
you can use to apply to your life."
Cruise, 42, and Holmes, 26, went public with their
romance in April, smooching and posing for
photographers in Rome. They recently became engaged.
Many have doubted the romance. The words "publicity
stunt" have rained down on the couple like an alien
invasion as Cruise has been busy promoting his new
film, "War of the Worlds," directed by Steven
Spielberg, which opens on June 29.
"You know what? There's always cynics. There always
has been. There always will be," said Cruise, who
hasn't been shy about displaying his affection for
"Batman Begins" actress Holmes. "I have never worried
... about what other people think and what other
people say."
"I have to tell you. It's just a great time in my
life," Cruise said. "I'm really happy. And, you know,
I'm engaged. I'm going to be married. I can't restrain
myself."
The actor, whose marriages to Mimi Rogers and Nicole
Kidman ended in divorce, declined to say what Holmes
has brought to his life that wasn't there in the past.
"I don't want to compare things," Cruise said. "It's
that thing where you just — in life when it just
happens. ... You meet someone. And it's — I can't even
describe it."
THE IRVINGS SUPPORTS VLT'S?????
Put this on your blog site if you like.
The Moncton Times and Transcript
News, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, p. A3
Provincial News
NBers may be asked for their views on VLTs
Gov't reviews gambling policy as opposition pushes for public input
BY MARY MOSZYNSKI TIMES & TRANSCRIPT STAFF
FREDERICTON - NDP Leader Elizabeth Weir wants New Brunswickers to be given an opportunity to voice their concerns over VLT usage in the province.
Government is reviewing its gambling policy and Weir said those affected by gambling should be able to tell their stories.
"I think there should be an opportunity for those affected by the province's gambling policy to come forward and speak directly to New Brunswickers through a public hearing process," she said yesterday.
Finance Minister Jeannot Volpé said he'll consider Weir's suggestion. The province's review of the gambling policy should be completed by the fall, he added.
"I said it was a good option and what I'm ready to do is bring it to our group when we discuss reviewing our gaming policy in New Brunswick," he said yesterday.
Families who have lost loved ones to VLT addiction met in Nova Scotia Monday to call on government to act quickly and eliminate the gaming machines.
While New Brunswick's politicians decide which direction to take its gaming policy other provinces have already cut back on the number of VLTs in their bars.
Newfoundland announced a plan this spring that would reduce the number of VLTs in the province by 15 per cent over five years.
Quebec is removing more than 2,500 VLTs from neighbourhood bars and putting them into centralized gaming parlours.
Meanwhile, the Ontario government has imposed a moratorium on casino expansion, British Columbia has said it won't put VLTs in bars and lounges, and Alberta has set a goal to reduce the number of locations with VLTs up to 15 per cent.
Manitoba is one of the only provinces that seems to be moving in the other direction, with recent plans to add to its stock of VLTs.
In Nova Scotia, the provincial government has said it plans to reduce the number of VLTs and their hours of operation, but is not considering an outright ban.
Yesterday's news conference in Halifax demands government take action on VLTs, Weir said.
However, Volpé said he isn't feeling any pressure from the other provinces to reduce the number of VLTs in New Brunswick. The minister also said government isn't sold on the idea of introducing racinos.
"We've got one of the lowest addiction rates across the province, we've got the lowest number of machines per capita," he said. "Can we improve? There might be some potential for us to improve and reduce even more that rate of addiction."
(With files from The Canadian Press)
The Moncton Times and Transcript
News, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, p. A3
Provincial News
NBers may be asked for their views on VLTs
Gov't reviews gambling policy as opposition pushes for public input
BY MARY MOSZYNSKI TIMES & TRANSCRIPT STAFF
FREDERICTON - NDP Leader Elizabeth Weir wants New Brunswickers to be given an opportunity to voice their concerns over VLT usage in the province.
Government is reviewing its gambling policy and Weir said those affected by gambling should be able to tell their stories.
"I think there should be an opportunity for those affected by the province's gambling policy to come forward and speak directly to New Brunswickers through a public hearing process," she said yesterday.
Finance Minister Jeannot Volpé said he'll consider Weir's suggestion. The province's review of the gambling policy should be completed by the fall, he added.
"I said it was a good option and what I'm ready to do is bring it to our group when we discuss reviewing our gaming policy in New Brunswick," he said yesterday.
Families who have lost loved ones to VLT addiction met in Nova Scotia Monday to call on government to act quickly and eliminate the gaming machines.
While New Brunswick's politicians decide which direction to take its gaming policy other provinces have already cut back on the number of VLTs in their bars.
Newfoundland announced a plan this spring that would reduce the number of VLTs in the province by 15 per cent over five years.
Quebec is removing more than 2,500 VLTs from neighbourhood bars and putting them into centralized gaming parlours.
Meanwhile, the Ontario government has imposed a moratorium on casino expansion, British Columbia has said it won't put VLTs in bars and lounges, and Alberta has set a goal to reduce the number of locations with VLTs up to 15 per cent.
Manitoba is one of the only provinces that seems to be moving in the other direction, with recent plans to add to its stock of VLTs.
In Nova Scotia, the provincial government has said it plans to reduce the number of VLTs and their hours of operation, but is not considering an outright ban.
Yesterday's news conference in Halifax demands government take action on VLTs, Weir said.
However, Volpé said he isn't feeling any pressure from the other provinces to reduce the number of VLTs in New Brunswick. The minister also said government isn't sold on the idea of introducing racinos.
"We've got one of the lowest addiction rates across the province, we've got the lowest number of machines per capita," he said. "Can we improve? There might be some potential for us to improve and reduce even more that rate of addiction."
(With files from The Canadian Press)
IRVING'S SHIPS IN SAINT JOHN HARBOUR!!!
Charlie:
Here is a picture of the new Irving NOR EASTER.
Built in Korea, Under flag of convenience, Chartered from Maersk line. Painted Irving colors!
# 2 is due along shortly.
It's a sad state of affairs when someone can export hundreds of jobs and then have the nerve to sail into harbour with a ship built by foreigners and ask you to support him at the pumps so he can do it to you all over again! The local longshoremen aren't even allowed to tie the lines!
Charlie. Spin this story any way you want. Just don't put my name to it!
Have a good one.
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
IRVING EMPLOYEES ARE A DETERMINE BUNCH!!!
It's 3:35pm and I came by the Legislature and walked in the Gallery! I would say around 60 Irving employees are still there! My God? It's hot up there!!!! The Liberals don't seem to be bothered by these Irving employees! They're speaking out loud and clear against this propose LNG deal!!!!
MY GOD??? IT MUST BE NICE TO BE AN IRVING EMPLOYEE???
It's 1:00pm and these Irving employees are a very dedicated bunch. They stayed in the Gallery for 2 hours and it's must be over 100 degres. Anyway, it must be nice to be an Irving employee? The protesters from last week hung around Tim's for luch. Where do you believe these Irving employees went? At the BeaverBrook Hotel for a nice hig paying meals. I noticed all kinds of P.C. in that group and also the Labour Mouvement. They're going to return at the Legislature at 2:00pm I guess!!! Sta tune for more....
MY GOD? THESE IRVING'S EMPLOYEES ARE TOUGH!!!!
It's 11:20am and the LNG debate hasn't even started. I made a head count and there's 100 people in the Gallery with their fancy suit! It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them fainted. It's going to be interesting to see if the Liberals will be imteminated < if that how you spell it? > by these Irving's employees! Of course the media will be waiting to cover their concerns and I will be right there to find out what kind of questions they asked? One guy from Irving Equipement told me that he was paid overtime to come here and since he has never been at the Legislature? He decided to go for the ride. I was already approached by one Irving employee who told me that I shouldn't write against the Irvings because I worked for them. I told the guy in front of everybody that I have a problem when J.D. Irving supports racism! If he had his way? Every niggers or frogs would be hung by the trees! I must admit that this line did turn a few heads! Ok,..,,,,going back...excuse the dearn style of this update because I just write the darn thing and send it along...by bye
THE IRVING'S SOLDIERS ARE HERE IN FULL FORCE!!!!
My God? Lots of money involded in this protest. So far, two buses from Saint John Transit came to drop off the supporters of the LNG deal. I was surprised to see the Lbour Mouvement in that crowd. Union and the Irvings side by side? The difference with this crowd is that they are all dress in suits and tie. These are people are dedicated their life and soul to the Irving Empire. They also came with that fancy cars. It's very difficult for me to mingle with these people. Of course, I know some of them but they don't wish to be caught chatting with me because they will be fired on the spot!!! Ok...going back out!!!!I ussually watch the bebate from the Cafeteria but today everything is blocked off! It's going to be very warm in the Gallery! Stay tune for more stories!!!! I might add that even former Irving's employees are also present!!!!
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